Indiana-Hawk-Wrestling-Fan Posted April 11, 2023 Author Share Posted April 11, 2023 18 minutes ago, nhs67 said: Honestly? I hope Truax gets paid. $250k? More? Less? I hope he has a nice start after competing. I just wish my dues were also going towards him and not just Dsvison. Lol wait how much do he get though? Davison got how much from Michigan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poorwrestler Posted April 13, 2023 Share Posted April 13, 2023 I think Troy Spratley will be in the portal soon. I hope not, very bad for Minnesota, but just from what I’m seeing. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indiana-Hawk-Wrestling-Fan Posted April 13, 2023 Author Share Posted April 13, 2023 10 minutes ago, poorwrestler said: I think Troy Spratley will be in the portal soon. I hope not, very bad for Minnesota, but just from what I’m seeing. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I don’t think he will end in the portal. With Nagao most likely leaving ( I’d be super surprised if he decided to stay at Minnesota) I think it opens up some room for Mitch M. And Troy to decide whose going what weight. Then after this year he can descend to 125 or be at 133. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headshuck Posted April 13, 2023 Share Posted April 13, 2023 I think Troy Spratley will be in the portal soon. I hope not, very bad for Minnesota, but just from what I’m seeing. Testing the waters Troy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poorwrestler Posted April 13, 2023 Share Posted April 13, 2023 I don’t think he will end in the portal. With Nagao most likely leaving ( I’d be super surprised if he decided to stay at Minnesota) I think it opens up some room for Mitch M. And Troy to decide whose going what weight. Then after this year he can descend to 125 or be at 133. I hope you’re right, but all things I’m hearing indicating otherwise.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indiana-Hawk-Wrestling-Fan Posted April 13, 2023 Author Share Posted April 13, 2023 5 minutes ago, poorwrestler said: I hope you’re right, but all things I’m hearing indicating otherwise. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I’d honestly be surprised if he did. Are there rumors circulating or is this your own speculation? I haven’t heard anything about him hitting the portal but I may be extremely out the loop if there is some smoke/rumors with him leaving Minnesota Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indiana-Hawk-Wrestling-Fan Posted April 13, 2023 Author Share Posted April 13, 2023 11 minutes ago, poorwrestler said: I hope you’re right, but all things I’m hearing indicating otherwise. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk If he left that would be another massive lost for Minnesota; but again, don’t know if it’s just rumors, your own speculation, or just some smoke? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandolphTJones Posted April 13, 2023 Share Posted April 13, 2023 2 hours ago, headshuck said: Testing the waters Troy? 2 hours ago, poorwrestler said: I think Troy Spratley will be in the portal soon. I hope not, very bad for Minnesota, but just from what I’m seeing. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I think if this happens we could be seeing a sinking ship similar to the one we are seeing at Northwestern at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poorwrestler Posted April 13, 2023 Share Posted April 13, 2023 I think if this happens we could be seeing a sinking ship similar to the one we are seeing at Northwestern at the moment. I’m not sure how I feel, to be honest. I really like Gavin Nelson and Max McEnelly at 84/97, along with the potential to add Hopke they could be a lethal trio. The retention of some of the top recruits in the low/mid weights leaves a lot to be desired though. Robideau on the horizon as an elite in-state recruit but he’s only a sophomore in high school. I am biased but I have high hopes for Vance Vombaur, Drew Roberts and Tagen Jamison in the 141-149 range. The key priorities right now - do all that you can to keep Nagao, Spratley, and land Hopke. Get 2 out of those 3 I’ll be happy. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idaho Posted April 13, 2023 Share Posted April 13, 2023 1 minute ago, poorwrestler said: I’m not sure how I feel, to be honest. I really like Gavin Nelson and Max McEnelly at 84/97, along with the potential to add Hopke they could be a lethal trio. The retention of some of the top recruits in the low/mid weights leaves a lot to be desired though. Robideau on the horizon as an elite in-state recruit but he’s only a sophomore in high school. I am biased but I have high hopes for Vance Vombaur, Drew Roberts and Tagen Jamison in the 141-149 range. The key priorities right now - do all that you can to keep Nagao, Spratley, and land Hopke. Get 2 out of those 3 I’ll be happy. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk What happened to Jamison this season? I had high hopes for him. Sponsored by INTERMAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted April 13, 2023 Share Posted April 13, 2023 Apparently Michigan has offers out to both Cannon and DeAuggie on one end and Griffith on the other end. Michigan is going to be a big player in NIL. 1 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poorwrestler Posted April 13, 2023 Share Posted April 13, 2023 What happened to Jamison this season? I had high hopes for him. Torn ACL beginning of the season Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Luchador Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 10 hours ago, poorwrestler said: I’m not sure how I feel, to be honest. I really like Gavin Nelson and Max McEnelly at 84/97, along with the potential to add Hopke they could be a lethal trio. The retention of some of the top recruits in the low/mid weights leaves a lot to be desired though. Robideau on the horizon as an elite in-state recruit but he’s only a sophomore in high school. I am biased but I have high hopes for Vance Vombaur, Drew Roberts and Tagen Jamison in the 141-149 range. The key priorities right now - do all that you can to keep Nagao, Spratley, and land Hopke. Get 2 out of those 3 I’ll be happy. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk The Minnesota 197 jinx is a real thing. Brock Berge, Bobby Steveson, Lance Benik, all failed to produce in college. From what I've seen of Max he isn't ready for college, but I haven't seen a ton of him. I think the top 197 of the future is a 160, 170 still growing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gus Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 12 minutes ago, El Luchador said: The Minnesota 197 jinx is a real thing. Brock Berge, Bobby Steveson, Lance Benik, all failed to produce in college. From what I've seen of Max he isn't ready for college, but I haven't seen a ton of him. I think the top 197 of the future is a 160, 170 still growing. Broc Berge started at Iowa and transferred to Minny. Lance Benick started at ASU and transferred to Augsburg. Steveson did not live up to the hype although I’m not sure where he was ranked coming out of high school. He did qualify for NCAA’s once and dealt with some injury problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MNRodent Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 17 minutes ago, El Luchador said: The Minnesota 197 jinx is a real thing. Brock Berge, Bobby Steveson, Lance Benik, all failed to produce in college. From what I've seen of Max he isn't ready for college, but I haven't seen a ton of him. I think the top 197 of the future is a 160, 170 still growing. Max is going 184 in college. He only weighs 190. When he won his world medal last year he was like 13 pounds underweight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Luchador Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 2 minutes ago, MNRodent said: Max is going 184 in college. He only weighs 190. When he won his world medal last year he was like 13 pounds underweight. It's always hard to predict what one's body will do. That sounds like a good plan, but nature may have something different in mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scourge165 Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 On 4/11/2023 at 11:27 AM, Idaho said: Not everybody has been begging for it.... Those who have, probably did not foresee how complicated and out of control it would become. Pro sports have free-agency but they also have competitive balance where there are salary caps for all teams, revenue sharing for small market teams, etc. So yes, you can have it both ways, but certainly not the way the NCAA has done it by opening up the flood gates then backing away while watching from the bushes. The New York Mets will spend 500 MILLION more than the Oakland Athletics this upcoming season, just on players salaries...but your point stands. They at least try in the NFL(thanks to Wellington Mara who probably cost his family tens of billions of dollars) and the NBA makes a ton of money in revenue sharing as well(as long as nobody says Taiwan... But yes, at least the professional leagues make an attempt. But they at least are all under one unified group of owners. The NCAA didn't want any players compensated and they have no saying over that. The transfer portal was hurting athletes and that was just a good idea, but you combine the two and it's kinda chaos. I think this is going to all going to kinda settle down a bit though. I wasn't begging for it, but I wasn't necessarily opposed. I did see how if you were a Football player for example...and you went to play for Lincoln Riley because of the way he develops QBs, then he bails to USC and you're a Heisman quality QB who's almost certainly going to be the #1 pick in the 2024 draft, you should be able to leave without penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumper Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 6 hours ago, scourge165 said: The New York Mets will spend 500 MILLION more than the Oakland Athletics this upcoming season, just on players salaries...but your point stands. They at least try in the NFL(thanks to Wellington Mara who probably cost his family tens of billions of dollars) and the NBA makes a ton of money in revenue sharing as well(as long as nobody says Taiwan... But yes, at least the professional leagues make an attempt. But they at least are all under one unified group of owners. The NCAA didn't want any players compensated and they have no saying over that. The transfer portal was hurting athletes and that was just a good idea, but you combine the two and it's kinda chaos. I think this is going to all going to kinda settle down a bit though. I wasn't begging for it, but I wasn't necessarily opposed. I did see how if you were a Football player for example...and you went to play for Lincoln Riley because of the way he develops QBs, then he bails to USC and you're a Heisman quality QB who's almost certainly going to be the #1 pick in the 2024 draft, you should be able to leave without penalty. And as a very long-time Oakland A's fan I have to say that the lack of spending by the A's has been a definite factor in their awful win loss record over the last decade. Currently the A's have the very worst won loss record in MLB (3-10). Yet they continue to implement that strategy - which did work for a while but no longer works. Bottom line is if you want to have success you have to spend the money. Going the cheap route just doesn't get it done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idaho Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 7 hours ago, scourge165 said: The New York Mets will spend 500 MILLION more than the Oakland Athletics this upcoming season, just on players salaries...but your point stands. They at least try in the NFL(thanks to Wellington Mara who probably cost his family tens of billions of dollars) and the NBA makes a ton of money in revenue sharing as well(as long as nobody says Taiwan... But yes, at least the professional leagues make an attempt. But they at least are all under one unified group of owners. The NCAA didn't want any players compensated and they have no saying over that. The transfer portal was hurting athletes and that was just a good idea, but you combine the two and it's kinda chaos. I think this is going to all going to kinda settle down a bit though. I wasn't begging for it, but I wasn't necessarily opposed. I did see how if you were a Football player for example...and you went to play for Lincoln Riley because of the way he develops QBs, then he bails to USC and you're a Heisman quality QB who's almost certainly going to be the #1 pick in the 2024 draft, you should be able to leave without penalty. The Mets will pay a huge luxury tax on the $270 million they went over. (230 million cap). Part of that luxury tax goes back to the other teams and part of it goes to player benefits. Of course this was all negotiated with a union. This is part of the competitive balance. The A's took in the least amount of revenue last year, but still profited on the bottom line even w/o the revenue sharing. I have no problem with kids transferring... the portal is fine..... the problem is the NIL side... and it has a profound effect on the portal. Scholarship limits were a way to keep a level playing field. They don't matter anymore when you can bring in a guy for 250k which includes all of his schooling. You can have 30 guys on "scholarship" now. Scholarships are now for mid-tier guys. The problem that needs to be dealt with is how to keep a more level playing field with NIL. If this does not happen, we will see mid-low level teams not be able to keep and sustain competitive wrestlers and teams. The end result will not be good for NCAA wrestling. Am I against the portal? No. Am I against kids getting NIL money? No. I am against the free-for-all that is happening with no regulation. It will not be a good end result. 1 Sponsored by INTERMAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idaho Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 1 hour ago, Thumper said: And as a very long-time Oakland A's fan I have to say that the lack of spending by the A's has been a definite factor in their awful win loss record over the last decade. Currently the A's have the very worst won loss record in MLB (3-10). Yet they continue to implement that strategy - which did work for a while but no longer works. Bottom line is if you want to have success you have to spend the money. Going the cheap route just doesn't get it done. Yet the A's still made a profit last year and COULD have spent more money to field a more competitive team. Remember when @NearFall @Thumper called for Bakersfield to drop their program because it wasn't competitive? How do you expect teams who were barely surviving pre-NIL to survive in post-NIL? Call for their dropping of the program? Sponsored by INTERMAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 1 hour ago, Thumper said: And as a very long-time Oakland A's fan I have to say that the lack of spending by the A's has been a definite factor in their awful win loss record over the last decade. Currently the A's have the very worst won loss record in MLB (3-10). Yet they continue to implement that strategy - which did work for a while but no longer works. Bottom line is if you want to have success you have to spend the money. Going the cheap route just doesn't get it done. So you're saying they need Brad Pitt, Jonah Hill, and Starlord again? 3 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMardigain Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 (edited) 34 minutes ago, nhs67 said: So you're saying they need Brad Pitt, Jonah Hill, and Starlord again? I feel like Charlie Sheen, Wesley Snipes, Tom Berenger, Corbin Bernson, and Bob Uecker could get it done. Edited April 14, 2023 by MadMardigain 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skandar Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 On 4/8/2023 at 1:42 PM, CHROMEBIRD said: Hard to blame Eggum for retention. NIL sucks. It’s very literally part of their job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indiana-Hawk-Wrestling-Fan Posted April 14, 2023 Author Share Posted April 14, 2023 2 minutes ago, skandar said: It’s very literally part of their job. Outside of Nagao maybe leaving, who else is transferring out of Minnesota? The rest are pure speculation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingcement Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 3 minutes ago, Indiana-Hawk-Wrestling-Fan said: Outside of Nagao maybe leaving, who else is transferring out of Minnesota? The rest are pure speculation Not sure if this counts but Chittum changed his commitment from Gophers to Hawkeyes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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