Max86 Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 Michigan signed Joel Adams, a U17 world champ-- but in Greco. https://intermatwrestle.com/articles/26247? What kind of track record do junior world champs in Greco have when they wrestle in D1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 1 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idaho Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 Definitely more success if you are a heavyweight - Cadet and Juinor Greco World Champs since 2000 - Jacob Folsom , Cohlton Schultz , Garrett Lowney, Kamal Bey, He made it clear when he announced that he was taking a gap year and his focus would be training to make the 2024 Greco Olympic team. One of the main reasons he chose Michigan was because of his greco training. 1 Sponsored by INTERMAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treep2000 Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 Not a big deal... until I'm proven wrong. Good greco guys and ncaa folk tend to not mix well. Look at the Koontz Bros. At tOSU. Very solid greco guys, but backups at best at ncaa d1. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPhillips Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 5 minutes ago, treep2000 said: Not a big deal... until I'm proven wrong. Good greco guys and ncaa folk tend to not mix well. Look at the Koontz Bros. At tOSU. Very solid greco guys, but backups at best at ncaa d1. They've been great Buckeyes. Teams need these kind of guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treep2000 Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, MPhillips said: They've been great Buckeyes. Teams need these kind of guys. Fair, if you're asserting that Adams will be a good backup. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedFan Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, treep2000 said: Not a big deal... until I'm proven wrong. Good greco guys and ncaa folk tend to not mix well. Look at the Koontz Bros. At tOSU. Very solid greco guys, but backups at best at ncaa d1. Jon Jay Chavez was an AA for Cornell and qualified for the Senior World Championships in Greco (withdrew due to injury). Quote Chavez was a 2013 Cadet World Greco-Roman bronze medalist, who has been on four age-group World teams, two as a Cadet (2013 in both styles) and two as a Junior (2014 and 2015). He qualified for his first Senior National Team in 2017, when he placed third in the Greco-Roman World Team Trials and second in the U.S. Open. Chavez was also a University Nationals Greco-Roman runner-up in 2017. Chavez was an NCAA Div. I All-American for Cornell last year, placing seventh at 165 pounds. Just for grins to see what a Greco specialist brings to folkstyle, go to 1:25:45 in this video (with audio for the crowd reaction): Cornell vs Buffalo Edited November 10, 2022 by BigRedFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treep2000 Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 8 hours ago, BigRedFan said: Jon Jay Chavez was an AA for Cornell and qualified for the Senior World Championships in Greco (withdrew due to injury). Just for grins to see what a Greco specialist brings to folkstyle, go to 1:25:45 in this video (with audio for the crowd reaction): Cornell vs Buffalo Fair... i did say "tend" to not mix well. I also reserved the right to be wrong. However, we do see a much higher correlation (posted previously by numerous posters, Flo, etc.) that show success at age level freestyle international tournies/championships and NCAA success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocBB Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 (edited) He wasn't great at Super 32's. Pure speculation but I think Ryan went with Brock Herman who flipped to Ohio State shortly before Adams announced. Could be Ryan chose Herman or maybe knew Adams wasn't coming. Kyle Parco is probably a reasonable comparison as to how high might be expected to place at NCAA's eventually...mid to low AA IMO. Omania might be his floor. Edited November 10, 2022 by DocBB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 1 hour ago, DocBB said: Omania might be his floor. It still bothers me that MSU doesn't try someone else at the weight. Anybody. Hell, they let a better guy transfer out. To me it appears they pet whoever is winning in the room get the go. They should take the approach tOSU takes as far as results against other gents. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCMO2 Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 15 hours ago, Idaho said: Definitely more success if you are a heavyweight - Cadet and Juinor Greco World Champs since 2000 - Jacob Folsom , Cohlton Schultz , Garrett Lowney, Kamal Bey, Lowney had 3 junior national titles in freestyle also, which played a big role in his college success (a 3rd and 5th place finish at nationals). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortaJohn Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 Greco guys have much better success at the MMA level than college folkstyle I Don't Agree With What I Posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idaho Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 Schultz has definitely used his greco skills to an advantage in folkstyle. WIth his size and upper body positions he has been able to neutralize and shut down some guys. It's definitely an advantage with heavy. 1 Sponsored by INTERMAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idaho Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 1 hour ago, KCMO2 said: Lowney had 3 junior national titles in freestyle also, which played a big role in his college success (a 3rd and 5th place finish at nationals). Definitely... Lowney was very athletic - Great competitor! Sponsored by INTERMAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexRef Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 18 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said: Do you also have many leather bound books too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 54 minutes ago, TexRef said: Do you also have many leather bound books too? I bet you know how my apartment smells too. 1 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mspart Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 18 hours ago, BigRedFan said: Jon Jay Chavez was an AA for Cornell and qualified for the Senior World Championships in Greco (withdrew due to injury). Just for grins to see what a Greco specialist brings to folkstyle, go to 1:25:45 in this video (with audio for the crowd reaction): Cornell vs Buffalo Wow!!! Nice throw and totally legit in Folkstyle rules. mspart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerniePragle Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 18 hours ago, BigRedFan said: Jon Jay Chavez was an AA for Cornell and qualified for the Senior World Championships in Greco (withdrew due to injury). Just for grins to see what a Greco specialist brings to folkstyle, go to 1:25:45 in this video (with audio for the crowd reaction): Cornell vs Buffalo I think the UB wrestler was Noah Grover, also a very good GR wrestler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedFan Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 1 hour ago, BerniePragle said: I think the UB wrestler was Noah Grover, also a very good GR wrestler. You are correct! 165: #16 John Jay Chavez (C) won by fall over Noah Grover (UB), 3:40 I love the crowd that, for just a moment, thought Grover was going huge. Unfortunately, they were right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPhillips Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 47 minutes ago, BigRedFan said: I love the crowd that, for just a moment, thought Grover was going huge. He was set up nicely. Cheers for the video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Husker_Du Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 23 hours ago, treep2000 said: Not a big deal... until I'm proven wrong. Good greco guys and ncaa folk tend to not mix well. Look at the Koontz Bros. At tOSU. Very solid greco guys, but backups at best at ncaa d1. Joel Adams is very much more than a 'good greco guy'. He won Fargo in FS, made Cadet FS World Team Trials finals, and made finals of S32 in folk. The Koontz brothers are not a good comparison. TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Husker_Du Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 13 hours ago, DocBB said: He wasn't great at Super 32's. Pure speculation but I think Ryan went with Brock Herman who flipped to Ohio State shortly before Adams announced. Could be Ryan chose Herman or maybe knew Adams wasn't coming. Kyle Parco is probably a reasonable comparison as to how high might be expected to place at NCAA's eventually...mid to low AA IMO. Omania might be his floor. He took 6th at S32 and was 2nd last year. IDK what Adams has to do with Herman/tOSU but that's not true. Adams and Herman were both in the same bracket in May and Adams was 2nd and Herman 5th. Herman's losses were to kasak and manville. manville just beat Herman again in Folk last weekend. TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treep2000 Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 1 hour ago, Husker_Du said: Joel Adams is very much more than a 'good greco guy'. He won Fargo in FS, made Cadet FS World Team Trials finals, and made finals of S32 in folk. The Koontz brothers are not a good comparison. Hope you're right. Love being wrong when guys outperform expectations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ban Basketball Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 How Big OF a Deal is Joel Adams? Owner of over two decades of the most dangerous words on the internet! In fact, during the short life of this forum, me's culture has been cancelled three times on this very site! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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