jross Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 (edited) Diakomihalis secured three takedowns and Murin secured/gifted four escapes to make the score 6-4 after two periods. Diakomihalis tacked on a reversal in the third to make it 8-4. Murin earns his fifth escape and secured one takedown. Diakomihalis won 8 to 7. A fairer score is 8 to 2. If there were zero points for escapes, the Rooks versus Van Ness match goes differently. Rooks would be leading 6 to 0 at the beginning of the third period rather than 7 to 3. The final score would be Rooks victory or overtime rather than a 9 to 7 Van Ness victory. Fix this. Edited March 17, 2023 by jross 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. PeanutButter Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 6 minutes ago, jross said: Diakomihalis secured three takedowns and Murin secured/gifted four escapes to make the score 6-4 after two periods. Diakomihalis tacked on a reversal in the third to make it 8-4. Murin earns his fifth escape and secured one takedown. Diakomihalis won 8 to 7. A fairer score is 8 to 2. If there were zero points for escapes, the Rooks versus Van Ness match goes differently. Rooks would be leading 6 to 0 at the beginning of the third period rather than 7 to 3. The final score would be Rooks victory or overtime rather than a 9 to 7 Van Ness victory. Fix this. I dont hate it. But the concept of "control" is core to folkstyle and earning an escape point is tied into that. Maybe top man can choose to restart in neutral at some point without giving the point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jross Posted March 17, 2023 Author Share Posted March 17, 2023 The bottom man's reward for getting back to his feet is being on his feet. The bonus is preventing the top man from scoring control points 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 3pt td, 2pt reverse, 1pt escape. A reverse & escape shouldn't score same as straight escape. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortaJohn Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 Bottom man deserves a point for working out from bottom. Takedowns and reversals should be 3 points 4 I Don't Agree With What I Posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHROMEBIRD Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 I just don't like when the bottom guy is basically out but is penalized with the RT clock still going because he's working for a reversal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJB Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 3pt TD makes the silliness of being gifted a point less ridiculous... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJB Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 still not the worst part of the stall fest... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. PeanutButter Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 37 minutes ago, LJB said: 3pt TD makes the silliness of being gifted a point less ridiculous... Too many points. How about every other takedown that a wrestler scores is worth 3 points, beginning with the 1st one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formally140 Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 47 minutes ago, ionel said: 3pt td, 2pt reverse, 1pt escape. A reverse & escape shouldn't score same as straight escape. I’d be okay for hs with this if nearfall was done like college with 2 and 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jross Posted March 17, 2023 Author Share Posted March 17, 2023 It is not okay to back away out of bounds. It is worse to jump out of bounds. It is disgusting to back straight out of bounds from the center mat on your own accord. It is not okay to drive people out of bounds or to cut off the person circling back in. The defender must attempt to circle back in. I'm good to give out points to opponent of the instigator in each of those situations. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightweight Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 46 minutes ago, CHROMEBIRD said: I just don't like when the bottom guy is basically out but is penalized with the RT clock still going because he's working for a reversal. Risk and reward. If he gets the reversal he gets 2 pts instead of 1. He is free to make that decision. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJB Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 8 minutes ago, Mr. PeanutButter said: Too many points. How about every other takedown that a wrestler scores is worth 3 points, beginning with the 1st one? how about we abandon folk all together? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jross Posted March 17, 2023 Author Share Posted March 17, 2023 Copy what works for other styles and keep what makes folk style unique (mat wrestling). Win. Win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jross Posted March 17, 2023 Author Share Posted March 17, 2023 Zero points for an escape regardless of how hard the bottom man works for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJB Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 i can live with points just being gifted to sub par wrestlers to keep the score artificially closer... i can live with ride time points... i can live with choice... i can not live with not wrestling being incentivized and rewarded... but... folk gonna folk... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveira Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 The freestyle rules crowd are actively trying to kill folk style. By far the most popular domestic style. Attendance figures should be posted at events like NCAAs vs WTTs. It’s like an insurrection or something. Folk style was fine…. Leave the rules alone. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPhillips Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 "Methinks thou doth protest too much..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJB Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 i hope little fella feels better after that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lu_alum Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 4 hours ago, jross said: Diakomihalis secured three takedowns and Murin secured/gifted four escapes to make the score 6-4 after two periods. Diakomihalis tacked on a reversal in the third to make it 8-4. Murin earns his fifth escape and secured one takedown. Diakomihalis won 8 to 7. A fairer score is 8 to 2. If there were zero points for escapes, the Rooks versus Van Ness match goes differently. Rooks would be leading 6 to 0 at the beginning of the third period rather than 7 to 3. The final score would be Rooks victory or overtime rather than a 9 to 7 Van Ness victory. Fix this. I assume would not have been in favor of the old rule that you only got two for the first TD. Each TD after that was only worth one point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D3 for LU Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 1 hour ago, lu_alum said: I assume would not have been in favor of the old rule that you only got two for the first TD. Each TD after that was only worth one point. I was trying to look for that rule... doing a fast scan in my copy of The History of Collegiate Wrestling by Jarrius Hammond (BOOMER!) Didn't find it yet. If I recall, wasn't it for one season... don't exactly know when it happened (I'm thinking early 60's... some of the Okies played a lot of Take 'em down/let 'em up matches.) ??? D3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jross Posted March 18, 2023 Author Share Posted March 18, 2023 15 hours ago, lu_alum said: I assume would not have been in favor of the old rule that you only got two for the first TD. Each TD after that was only worth one point. Increase points for repeated TDs instead of decreasing them if complex scoring is preferred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VakAttack Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 18 hours ago, PortaJohn said: Bottom man deserves a point for working out from bottom. Takedowns and reversals should be 3 points I think this might be the best way. Particularly reversals are undervalued, IMO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortaJohn Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 18 minutes ago, VakAttack said: I think this might be the best way. Particularly reversals are undervalued, IMO. Absolutely are. Also wish they could also pause riding time when it's determined the bottom wrestler is working for a reversal. "Reversal Action Time Pause" I Don't Agree With What I Posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VakAttack Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 6 minutes ago, PortaJohn said: Absolutely are. Also wish they could also pause riding time when it's determined the bottom wrestler is working for a reversal. "Reversal Action Time Pause" Another obvious loophole in the rules. It should be one escape when top loses control, and a continuation point if the reversal is completed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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