Seriously, Michigan?

[El Luchador]

1 hour ago, Nailbender said:

Some of the actual stupidity in these posts actually hurts my feelings. Your long winded responses that have very little thought put into them if not so scary, would be funny. I reacted to your first one that way and then couldn't believe it got worse from there.

 

I've learned my lesson with you and shouldn't respond. I'll try and leave the rest of your ignorance for someone else to clean up.

Washington examiner

US News and World Report

Snopes for goodness sakes

 

 

 

  ETA Joe Biden is an idiot and he must be your king. Shooting blindly through a door is some of the worst advice I've ever seen. It's a good way to change self defense into murder. Maybe even the murder of someone you love.

I should have read all the comments before I started commenting.  I started at the beginning,  but this guy just makes to much work. He's kinda like CNN, you know you're going to be fed a full serving of BS so don't even both tuning in. 

[Plasmodium]

32 minutes ago, jross said:

Yep plus the data shows increased crime in that same city.  And it wasn't just one vehicle crime, but rather vehicle crimes against baseball players on my local men's team, 1 against my buddy in another state, and 1 against my father-in-law within a small period of time.  Believe it or not, 1+1 = 2.
 

I don't know a single person in real life that worships Trump or likes his character.  Several prefer his policy opinions such as reducing illegal immigration, made in America (bring business back), pride and optimism in the country, ability to say Merry Christmas, strong economy, holding other countries accountable to contribute to NATO, better trade balance, reduce/stop foreign wars, etc.

Santos is terrible and he fits right in with the other democrats and republicans.  You can fill a page listing lying politicians for each side of the aisle.  Biden remained in office for 50 years while repeatedly busted for lying.

Remains and yes Biden is a liar.  However, Santos and Trump are on a whole other level.  Trump is a far more destructive liar.

[jross]

 

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but you point to these mass shootings(there have been a string of about 6 big ones in a ~3-4 day period) and that's statistically irrelevant if you add up ALL the days kids go to school and then you add all the schools...

 

Gun violence is bad.  But where does it fit in the priority of the underlying cause of death? 

Across age groups, firearm assault is #49 in the CDC and #50 if CDC included the 1 million elective abortions.  (See 2019 data in https://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/datarequest/D76).

 

I have no problem talking about gun violence and reducing it.  I just want to understand why #50 is a higher priority for discussion.

Because of the kids.  Which kids?  Not the 1 million aborted unborn.  No, no, no, not them.  They aren't people (sarcasm).

 

How about ages 1-4?  Talk about drowning #1 or firearm assault at #12


 

Ages 5-14.  Now we are talking.  Ban the ropes so these kids stop hanging themselves.  Ban the cars.  Firearm assault checks in at #3.  We can talk about it now.

 

Ages 15-17.  Now we're talking about firearm assault.

 

Let's double-click into firearms.  Those pesky 15-year-olds and older are a nuisance.  

The age group death by firearm stays in the 400s through the 20s, drops to 200s in the 30s, and continues to decrease with age.  

Across age groups, data shows gun violence is rare outside known street blocks in cities with extreme poverty. 

School shooting deaths are horrible and rare.  The worst school shooting year was in 2018 with 51 deaths.  Typically average of 12 a year.  Handguns are used 10:1 over rifles, and more than 50% occur outside rather than inside the school.

There was a recent school shooting (ghost handgun) local to me by a kid previously busted for a robbery... my HS daughter knows kids at the school... yet my family has zero fear of a school shooting.

Edited February 2, 2023 by jross

[Plasmodium]

3 minutes ago, El Luchador said:

I should have read all the comments before I started commenting.  I started at the beginning,  but this guy just makes to much work. He's kinda like CNN, you know you're going to be fed a full serving of BS so don't even both tuning in. 

Thank you.  Also - MSNBC, Fox, Epoch Times, Project Veritas, Huffington Post and too many others to list from the right and the left.

[El Luchador]

44 minutes ago, Plasmodium said:

Fascism happened.  

The Leftists love that word. Fascism is massive authoritarianism,  we all know who push government authority and it isn't the so called right. Complaining about something while adopting all their principles and strategies is a bit disingenuous. 

[El Luchador]

4 minutes ago, Plasmodium said:

Thank you.  Also - MSNBC, Fox, Epoch Times, Project Veritas, Huffington Post and too many others to list from the right and the left.

You have zero experience with The Epoch times. They are hands down the best example of proper journalism in America today. Your just parroting the narrative. 

[Plasmodium]

1 minute ago, El Luchador said:

The Leftists love that word. Fascism is massive authoritarianism,  we all know who push government authority and it isn't the so called right. Complaining about something while adopting all their principles and strategies is a bit disingenuous. 

What?  Apart from WMD, what doesn't the right want to outlaw?  You might be a fascist if you walk onto a stage and hump a flag while the crowd cheers wildly!

[El Luchador]

3 minutes ago, Plasmodium said:

What?  Apart from WMD, what doesn't the right want to outlaw?  You might be a fascist if you walk onto a stage and hump a flag while the crowd cheers wildly!

Back to the rhetoric and ad hominem attacks?

[Plasmodium]

1 minute ago, El Luchador said:

You have zero experience with The Epoch times. They are hands down the best example of proper journalism in America today. Your just parroting the narrative. 

No, their reputation precedes them.  My narrative is the Epoch Times attracts traffic, clicks and ad money by publishing exactly what their consumers want to hear.

[El Luchador]

Just now, Plasmodium said:

No, their reputation precedes them.  My narrative is the Epoch Times attracts traffic, clicks and ad money by publishing exactly what their consumers want to hear.

So your saying I was right. 

[Plasmodium]

Just now, El Luchador said:

Back to the rhetoric and ad hominem attacks?

There is no attack there.  The hump part is a little hyperbolic, but that is probably camera perspective. His lifts cause him to lean forward a little bit.

[Plasmodium]

1 minute ago, El Luchador said:

So your saying I was right. 

Correct.  I waste zero time with them.  They earned their reputation.  I also don't try cyanide, skyscraper diving and many other activities.

[jross]

4 minutes ago, El Luchador said:

The Leftists love that word. Fascism is massive authoritarianism,  we all know who push government authority and it isn't the so called right. Complaining about something while adopting all their principles and strategies is a bit disingenuous. 

The definition of fascism describes democratic behavior well in the first statement.  ChatGPT shares the same lies that fascism is a right-only ideology.  Now it isn't really a left or right ideology as people on both sides can fit the definition.

[El Luchador]

9 hours ago, Plasmodium said:

In 20 years? 50 years?  Beg to differ.

You can beg all you want. Australia is a great example of how gun control doesn't work.  

You will never stop crime only male it easier or harder. When you disarm citizens you make it easier. 

Edited February 2, 2023 by El Luchador

[Plasmodium]

5 minutes ago, El Luchador said:

You can beg all you want. Australia is a great example of how gun control doesn't work.  

You will never stop crime only made it easier or harder. When you disarm citizens you make it easier. 

Did you read that on the Epoch Times?

[El Luchador]

19 minutes ago, Plasmodium said:

Did you read that on the Epoch Times?

Aren't you just the master of wit. 

Edited February 2, 2023 by El Luchador

[Mike Parrish]

20 minutes ago, Plasmodium said:

Did you read that on the Epoch Times?

He's the end result of what happens when confirmation bias becomes anthropomorphized.

[Bigbrog]

7 hours ago, scourge165 said:

You can though. You LITERALLY can and we were literally given the power to do EXACTLY that. 

Scotus voted 5-4...so if the GOP hadn't kinda stolen SCOTUS, it could have easily gone the other way and LITERALLY interpreted the 2nd. "In order to maintain a WELL REGULATED MILITIA,"....

But  yes, you ABSOLUTELY can pick and choose. See how black people are no longer slaves and no longer 3/5th of a human being? That's because we pick and choose. See how we all get to vote for President instead of 68 people like in the first couple elections? That's because we get to pick and choose. 

 

We've got to pick and choose. That was kinda the ENTIRE point of the Constitution. 

 

Oh, and we're not the "most free" Country. Those pesky "socialist" Countries in Scandinavia are the most free...plus Canada, England, among others. We're the 23rd most free;

https://www.cato.org/human-freedom-index/2022

 

If you didn't have private prisons and Judges who get kickbacks for sending kids to prison, we may be higher, but I think having the most people in prison in the world lowers our rankings in the "most free country" category. 

Man...so disappointed as you started off commenting and seemed to be level-headed and someone who could add to this debate but then you dropped this gem..."GOP hadn't kinda stolen SCOTUS" .  Anyway, I think you missed my point...well know you missed it...the constitution is being interpreted by HUMANS!  Fallible and flawed humans with biases, narratives, and other influences.  But the overall principals and concepts hold true today.  And the people that wrote the constitution were flawed as well (YOU brought up slavery), but again the overall principals and concepts are what set us apart as a country.  You can define your freedom; however, you chose to define it as, and use other countries as an example and twist it to meet your narrative...all fine to do...you have that freedom to do so.  All, I and others can do is to point out where it may be flawed.  

I'll leave the private prison conversation for a different time and I'll address something you covered in one of your other posts to me...Australia and their gun laws...I'll start by the glaring inaccuracy...or I should say INCOMPLETE thought and analysis done by you.  Their gun laws are not the one solution that sets them apart from us in terms of less "mass shootings" (quotes were not meant as a way to minimize them in any way).  This is a talking point often used by those that want to limit law abiding citizens in the US.  Astralia has a completely different culture, history, sociatal norms, constitution (or whatever them call it there), etc. than the US.  Taking on law and trying to make it stand on its own to push your point and narrative is...well...silly really.  The problem is people like Plasmodium and Mikey boy jump up and down in your corner pointing and saying "SEE!!  SEE!!!"  It is comical really.  

For the millionth time, I will say again, if any sort of gun ban, gun registry, limiting law abiding citizens 2nd amendment rights would stop school shootings, or the crazy MF'er in Vegas I would be first to vote for it...but 99.9% of the time those legislations are not well thought out, purely written with only emotion and no logic, contain no correlative data, and hence don't and won't ever get passed.  You want real change, stop trumpeting (no pun intended) the talking points you hear in the media, start thinking through the full issue and start demanding more from the stupid politicians you support.

[Plasmodium]

1 hour ago, El Luchador said:

Aren't you just the master of wit. 

So, yes.

[Mike Parrish]

6 minutes ago, Plasmodium said:

So, yes.

I ignored those two dingalings.

They're worse than NJDan.

[Nailbender]

2 hours ago, El Luchador said:

I should have read all the comments before I started commenting.  I started at the beginning,  but this guy just makes to much work. He's kinda like CNN, you know you're going to be fed a full serving of BS so don't even both tuning in. 

scourge165 just loves to hear themselves talk. I've learned my lesson. I'm not engaging with that any further. There is literally so much content, I'd waste my day and solve nothing. It's not that they couldn't find Biden's quote, it's that they didn't want to find it. Then to put the icing on top, preach about lies and alternative facts. There is a lot more misinformation in some of their other posts but I refuse to waste my time engaging with someone so lazy or purposefully deceptive.

 

    It did give me a chance to comment on Biden's quote, since I chose not too originally because unlike some, I at least try for concise posts. That quote is very representative of so many of the fallacies that have been uttered here and everywhere by people who have no idea what they are talking about.

A shotgun is not always a better weapon to defend yourself. In fact it usually isn't. Especially if you are unfamiliar with firearms or smaller in stature. Firing without knowing your target and what is behind it, is never a good idea. In some cases, that practice will put you behind bars. A person would have to try to give worse advice.

All this from the leader of the free world and also one of the leading minds who want input on my choices when it comes to firearms. That one quote, pretty much sums up this whole thread. 

[Nailbender]

3 minutes ago, Mike Parrish said:

I ignored those two dingalings.

They're worse than NJDan.

Seems about right. I have read here for over 2 years before joining. This place could often be an echo chamber. Doesn't surprise me you of all people are proud enough to announce you prefer it that way but aren't strong enough to just ignore others thoughts on your own.

[LJB]

this thread is a prime example of how their tactics work to perfection...

they are running this game...

otherwise reasonably intelligent citizens willingly pick a side to feel like they are part of a "team" and the wheels just keep grinding everyone down which is the real goal...

[Mike Parrish]

13 minutes ago, Nailbender said:

Seems about right. I have read here for over 2 years before joining. This place could often be an echo chamber. Doesn't surprise me you of all people are proud enough to announce you prefer it that way but aren't strong enough to just ignore others thoughts on your own.

They're tedious and provide no value.

[Nailbender]

1 hour ago, Mike Parrish said:

They're tedious and provide no value.

I appreciate your ability to be precise with language.

The first can be true, with the latter still being false but you do you.