Alces Alces Gigas Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 NAIAs did not qualify a wrestler to the NCAAs. The teams were dual affiliated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 4 minutes ago, Alces Alces Gigas said: NAIAs did not qualify a wrestler to the NCAAs. The teams were dual affiliated. Then bring back the dual affiliation. Whatever it takes, give me more. Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lipdrag Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 9 hours ago, Alces Alces Gigas said: Why an auto low seed? If they deserve it, seed them! Don't ruin a d1 studs tourney by not seeding them If he is a stud then a seed of a D2 or D3 guy won't ruin his tourney. Nuff said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alces Alces Gigas Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 32 minutes ago, Lipdrag said: If he is a stud then a seed of a D2 or D3 guy won't ruin his tourney. Nuff said. Ask the Hwt D1 studs who lost to Les Sigman or Tervel Dlagnev if their Midlands were ruined by these two D2 champs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambatte Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 4 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said: Bring back NAIA too, while we are at it. I think this is the complete list of non-D1 D1 champs. Bolded and underlined means they were also outstanding wrestler that year. This is a great list. Thanks. A few corrections: Rick Sanders was a D1 champion in 66 & 67 and runner up in 68. Gary Barton was champion in 72. Don Rohn was champion in 73. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambatte Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 Ooops! I mistook the last column as the wrestler's placement in D1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Energy Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 I wonder if there is very little desire to remove since it gives just a bit more time for most everyone not in a pigtail to recover from the weight cut!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Gambatte said: Ooops! I mistook the last column as the wrestler's placement in D1. No worries. I appreciate the help. Anf I love the fact that in 1966 Sanders finished 3rd at D2, but 1st at D1. Edited March 14, 2023 by Wrestleknownothing 1 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambatte Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 (edited) Yeah. Warren Crow started out at Cornell before transferring to SUNY Albany when he defeated Sanders in the College Division Nationals at 123 lbs. Sanders then dropped to 115 for the D1 NCAAs and Crow finished 4th at 123 lbs. Edited March 14, 2023 by Gambatte 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexRef Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 4 hours ago, Lipdrag said: If he is a stud then a seed of a D2 or D3 guy won't ruin his tourney. Nuff said. Most of the complaints came from the bigger schools. They didn't want their kid getting knocked around by a D2 stud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SocraTease Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 9 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said: Bring back NAIA too, while we are at it. I think this is the complete list of non-D1 D1 champs. Bolded and underlined means they were also outstanding wrestler that year. Floyd "Shorty" Hitchcock was Division I and II champ and outstanding wrestler in both tournaments. Floyd "Shorty" Hitchcock excelled as a wrestler during his days at Bloomsburg University. He posted an 84-7-2 dual meet record and won 3 PSAC Championships. His senior year he won both the Division I and II National titles in the 177-pound weight class and was named the Outstanding Wrestler in both tournaments. He also won a silver medal at the 1973 World Games in Moscow. During his high school coaching days at Lake Lehman, he guided the Knights to 4 District 2 Titles and was a 4-time district coach of the year. In 1981, he coached Lake-Lehman to the PIAA Class AA State Championship. Two of his former high school stars were Rick and Rock Bonomo, who later achieved All-American honors at Bloomsburg. In 1984 Coach Hitchcock was named wrestling coach at Millersville University, where for the past 19 years, his enthusiasm and winning attitude have made the Marauders perennial contenders in the NCAA I Regional mat circles. He produced 18 Eastern Regional Champs and 28 NCAA qualifiers and was named NCAA Eastern Regional Coach of the Year twice. Shorty was presented a very special award during the alumni banquet of the 1951 wrestling team, at Millersville University. That night 200 people were able to honor Shorty before he passed away. The founder of the wrestling program at Millersville, Dr. Ted Rupp, stated "He is firm, but fair with his athletes. What you see is what you get. He commands their respect and, with many, their love. Coach Hitchcock lost his battle to cancer and passed away in February 2002 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SocraTease Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 16 hours ago, Alces Alces Gigas said: Why an auto low seed? If they deserve it, seed them! Don't ruin a d1 studs tourney by not seeding them I'm not opposed to seeding a guy from another Division, but it likely would be very difficult to do so given that they wouldn't have many (if any) common opponents and the comparisons would be very hard to make. Further, it might be used as a reason for the NCAA to keep them out and maintain the status quo of "Division Apartheid" so to speak. If you invite a few guys in and give them relatively low seeds, it might prove more possible and satisfy the critics. It could also be a work in progress or something tried experimentally for a season or two. I think it would also bring more attention to DI, DII and NAIA, which (let's be frank) a great number of wrestlers and wrestling fans ignore. Maybe D I and II guys could earn ranking points at the proposed ranking tournaments (see other thread). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lu_alum Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 (edited) 17 minutes ago, SocraTease said: Floyd "Shorty" Hitchcock was Division I and II champ and outstanding wrestler in both tournaments. His senior year he won both the Division I and II National titles in the 177-pound weight class and was named the Outstanding Wrestler in both tournaments. Schalles wasn't eligible for the NCAA tourneys that year, so he went up to 177 for the PSAC championships and pinned Shorty to win the title and the tourney OW. Edited March 15, 2023 by lu_alum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SocraTease Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 Just now, lu_alum said: Schalles wasn't eligible for the NCAA tourneys that year, so he went up to 177 for the PSAC championships and pinned Shorty to win the title and the tourney OW. Schalles is legendary. Arguably, the original "funk" wrestler and maybe the greatest pinner of all time. I heard he once put a small piece of tape on the mat and told others he was going to pin his opponent right on the tape, which he proceeded to do. Too bad there isn't much video footage of him wrestling. I've only seen a high school match and a match against Lee Kemp. Looks like Bader did an interview with him on FLO https://www.flowrestling.org/video/7360744-the-bader-show-wade-schalles-ep-264 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lu_alum Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, SocraTease said: Schalles is legendary. Arguably, the original "funk" wrestler and maybe the greatest pinner of all time. I heard he once put a small piece of tape on the mat and told others he was going to pin his opponent right on the tape, which he proceeded to do. Too bad there isn't much video footage of him wrestling. I've only seen a high school match and a match against Lee Kemp. Looks like Bader did an interview with him on FLO https://www.flowrestling.org/video/7360744-the-bader-show-wade-schalles-ep-264 True story: https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/sports/1978/03/19/people-named-gable-schalles-immortals-of-the-mat/12d87d0c-f2c1-466d-aaa3-fc3b6b8e2bcd/ Edited March 15, 2023 by lu_alum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 1 hour ago, SocraTease said: Floyd "Shorty" Hitchcock was Division I and II champ and outstanding wrestler in both tournaments. Floyd "Shorty" Hitchcock excelled as a wrestler during his days at Bloomsburg University. He posted an 84-7-2 dual meet record and won 3 PSAC Championships. His senior year he won both the Division I and II National titles in the 177-pound weight class and was named the Outstanding Wrestler in both tournaments. He also won a silver medal at the 1973 World Games in Moscow. During his high school coaching days at Lake Lehman, he guided the Knights to 4 District 2 Titles and was a 4-time district coach of the year. In 1981, he coached Lake-Lehman to the PIAA Class AA State Championship. Two of his former high school stars were Rick and Rock Bonomo, who later achieved All-American honors at Bloomsburg. In 1984 Coach Hitchcock was named wrestling coach at Millersville University, where for the past 19 years, his enthusiasm and winning attitude have made the Marauders perennial contenders in the NCAA I Regional mat circles. He produced 18 Eastern Regional Champs and 28 NCAA qualifiers and was named NCAA Eastern Regional Coach of the Year twice. Shorty was presented a very special award during the alumni banquet of the 1951 wrestling team, at Millersville University. That night 200 people were able to honor Shorty before he passed away. The founder of the wrestling program at Millersville, Dr. Ted Rupp, stated "He is firm, but fair with his athletes. What you see is what you get. He commands their respect and, with many, their love. Coach Hitchcock lost his battle to cancer and passed away in February 2002 Thanks for this. I mistakenly highlighted Jim Woods as OW in 1974, but he was the Gorian winner, not OW. Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 36 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said: Thanks for this. I mistakenly highlighted Jim Woods as OW in 1974, but he was the Gorriaran winner, not OW. thats the PinFest award, correct? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightweight Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 How did they get to 33? Well, originally it was 33 1/3, but then teams could not get the 1/3 wrestler's bleeding stopped before the five minute limit expired. (Although a few teams who had gotten creative with their 9.9 scholarships had a guy already sewn up and ready to go.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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