peanut Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 Who will fill those spots? At 125, Robbie Howard is injured I assume, and Steen returns. Not sure what's going on with 133 and 197. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scourge165 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 1 hour ago, peanut said: Who will fill those spots? At 125, Robbie Howard is injured I assume, and Steen returns. Not sure what's going on with 133 and 197. Howard will be back at '25. '33...they've got like 9 kids who could Wrestle it. Maybe David Evans wrestles '33 next year. I don't know. I suspect they'll be just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antitroll2828 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 6 hours ago, peanut said: Who will fill those spots? At 125, Robbie Howard is injured I assume, and Steen returns. Not sure what's going on with 133 and 197. Howard will be either the 125 or 133 and has 4 years of eligibility left somehow, the reason he kept getting reinjured is bc he never had surgery on the shoulder and after this most recent set back he finally did , probably see him back around January…could be brooks moving up to 197 next year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLB9 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 Have to think there will be a transfer for at least one of those weights. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antitroll2828 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 (edited) 29 minutes ago, MLB9 said: Have to think there will be a transfer for at least one of those weights. They have 4x Michigan state champ Braden Davis coming in ,plus Robert Howard and betancourt who transferred from Ohio State and steen , doubtful they pick someone else up unless one of them leaves , they also have another recruit 3x pa state placer and 2023 state champ Cael nasdeo he just won at 121 Edited March 12, 2023 by Antitroll2828 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Cinnabon Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 Howard bumps up to 133. Davis at 125. Steen should never sniff the lineup again barring multiple horrible injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elevator Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said: Howard bumps up to 133. Davis at 125. Steen should never sniff the lineup again barring multiple horrible injuries. hurtful - guys can develop in a room like that and a year or two of maturity and weight training can be impactful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Cinnabon Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 41 minutes ago, Elevator said: hurtful - guys can develop in a room like that and a year or two of maturity and weight training can be impactful Wishful thinking IMO. Maybe on a lower tier team but not a team like Penn State. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 47 minutes ago, Elevator said: hurtful - guys can develop in a room like that and a year or two of maturity and weight training can be impactful 4 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said: Wishful thinking IMO. Maybe on a lower tier team but not a team like Penn State. What lower tier teams have a room like that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedFan Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 55 minutes ago, Elevator said: hurtful - guys can develop in a room like that and a year or two of maturity and weight training can be impactful He's been "in the room" for two years. Compare his development with Ungar (who beat him senior year for the PA title). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 (edited) I think their 125/133 will be some combination of incoming frosh Braeden Davis, Robbie Howard, Baylor Shunk, Gary Steen, or David Evans. My honest preference would actually be for Beau Bartlett to make the drop to 133, but that also leaves a large hole at 141 too. I am not sold on Howard being up to snuff at either 125 or 133. We haven't seen him healthy since mid-high school so it is hard to say. At 197 I think Brooks should go up. Then they have a few options at 184. Donavan Ball, Lucas Cochran, or incoming true frosh Josh Barr. Starocci has already said his intention is to go 74 KG for OTT right after 2024 NCAAs so 184 is not an option for him. That leaves us with what I think is our most likely lineup, with thr caveat that both Howard and Brooks likely get to choose their weight 125 - Howard, Steen/Shunk 133 - Howard, Evans/Shunk 141 - Bartlett 149 - Van Ness 157 - Bearclaw/Lee/Lee (Haines redshirt to grow in to 165/174) 165 - Facundo (I believe Haines and Facundo are the 165/174 guys after 2024) 174 - Starocci 184 - Brooks, Ball/Chochran 197 - Brooks, Chochran/Ball 285 - Kerkvliet I think we might see Seth Nevills transfer out to SDSU for his final year(s - he could have two left if he chose). Just a hunch. Add in the additional caveats that if Davis, Kasak, and Barr will be given the Haines treatment with ample opportunity to prove that they deserve a shot at 125/133, 157, and 184 as well. In the case of Barr it relies heavily(entirely) on Brooks going 197. In the case of Kasak it relies heavily on Haines redshirtting. Edited March 12, 2023 by nhs67 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearTheTurtle Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 IMO, Starocci can win 184 and maintain whatever weight he wants for OTT I assume that is what they will do to get another hammer in the middle of the lineup somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocBB Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 3 hours ago, Antitroll2828 said: They have 4x Michigan state champ Braden Davis coming in ,plus Robert Howard and betancourt who transferred from Ohio State and steen , doubtful they pick someone else up unless one of them leaves , they also have another recruit 3x pa state placer and 2023 state champ Cael nasdeo he just won at 121 Bettancourt is not any good. Doubt he's any better than Steen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingcement Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 Cael Nasdeo is a Millionaire (capital M) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 38 minutes ago, FearTheTurtle said: IMO, Starocci can win 184 and maintain whatever weight he wants for OTT I assume that is what they will do to get another hammer in the middle of the lineup somewhere. PK and Hidlay would absolutely manhandle a Starocci that is managing his weight to make 74 KG while wrestling 184lbs. Hidlay is a full-sized 86 KG (189lber). PK isn't as thick, but is a little longer. For Starocci to be within a manageable distance of 74 KG (163lbs) he will need to be keeping it on the lighter side of things to even maintain 174lbs. Fortunately for him, I anticipate Lewis to be doing the same thing. If Lewis decides he isn't going to go for 74 KG glory as well and he stays a full 174lbs, Starocci is going to have a tough time with him, too. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 43 minutes ago, FearTheTurtle said: IMO, Starocci can win 184 and maintain whatever weight he wants for OTT I assume that is what they will do to get another hammer in the middle of the lineup somewhere. 1 minute ago, nhs67 said: PK and Hidlay would absolutely manhandle a Starocci that is managing his weight to make 74 KG while wrestling 184lbs. Hidlay is a full-sized 86 KG (189lber). PK isn't as thick, but is a little longer. For Starocci to be within a manageable distance of 74 KG (163lbs) he will need to be keeping it on the lighter side of things to even maintain 174lbs. Fortunately for him, I anticipate Lewis to be doing the same thing. If Lewis decides he isn't going to go for 74 KG glory as well and he stays a full 174lbs, Starocci is going to have a tough time with him, too. All a nonfactor either way as Starocci has already stated he will be going 174lbs next season as well. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearTheTurtle Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 Well I hope I am wrong because surely Starocci vs Hidlay would be the most boring match in the history of the sport 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 1 minute ago, FearTheTurtle said: Well I hope I am wrong because surely Starocci vs Hidlay would be the most boring match in the history of the sport We did see a preview of Starocci at 86 KG already before. He wasn't able to utilize a length advantage and did not have a strength advantage either when he went 0-2 st the 86 KG OTT. He lost to Bo Nickal (6-1) and Myles Martin (5-2). The same Myles Martin that controlled Starocci in his 5-2 win was very much controlled a few months later by Hidlay via 9-5 decision. Freestyle and Folkstyle are different in many ways, however they both exist with weight classes as a determining and separating criteria. Weight class exist for a reason. 1 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearTheTurtle Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, nhs67 said: We did see a preview of Starocci at 86 KG already before. He wasn't able to utilize a length advantage and did not have a strength advantage either when he went 0-2 st the 86 KG OTT. He lost to Bo Nickal (6-1) and Myles Martin (5-2). The same Myles Martin that controlled Starocci in his 5-2 win was very much controlled a few months later by Hidlay via 9-5 decision. Freestyle and Folkstyle are different in many ways, however they both exist with weight classes as a determining and separating criteria. Weight class exist for a reason. Well yea but either myles Martin or Bo could win ncaa tourney at 184 next year too. I get it, would be tough to deal with a monster like hidlay but I think he would win the match. I just don’t want to watch it. I also think nobody cares what I think and duh yea he will probably be 174 next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnwtwg Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 Starocci is big for 174 and WAY too big for 74. He’s a tweener and needs to embrace it… maybe goes 184 next year and cuts down to 79 @ WTT after taking lumps at 86. Just sucks thanks IOC for ruining everything. 2 i am an idiot on the internet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 1 minute ago, bnwtwg said: Starocci is big for 174 and WAY too big for 74. He’s a tweener and needs to embrace it… maybe goes 184 next year and cuts down to 79 @ WTT after taking lumps at 86. Just sucks thanks IOC for ruining everything. Starocci has already 'made it clear' he us going 74 KG for OTT and 174lbs next season. I do agree with you on what would appear to be the more physically healthy option. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 Go to ~5:00 minutes in for the actual words from Starocci's mouth... https://www.flowrestling.org/people/5933899-jordan-burroughs/video?playing=8046581 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gus Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 3 hours ago, nhs67 said: I think their 125/133 will be some combination of incoming frosh Braeden Davis, Robbie Howard, Baylor Shunk, Gary Steen, or David Evans. My honest preference would actually be for Beau Bartlett to make the drop to 133, but that also leaves a large hole at 141 too. I am not sold on Howard being up to snuff at either 125 or 133. We haven't seen him healthy since mid-high school so it is hard to say. At 197 I think Brooks should go up. Then they have a few options at 184. Donavan Ball, Lucas Cochran, or incoming true frosh Josh Barr. Starocci has already said his intention is to go 74 KG for OTT right after 2024 NCAAs so 184 is not an option for him. That leaves us with what I think is our most likely lineup, with thr caveat that both Howard and Brooks likely get to choose their weight 125 - Howard, Steen/Shunk 133 - Howard, Evans/Shunk 141 - Bartlett 149 - Van Ness 157 - Bearclaw/Lee/Lee (Haines redshirt to grow in to 165/174) 165 - Facundo (I believe Haines and Facundo are the 165/174 guys after 2024) 174 - Starocci 184 - Brooks, Ball/Chochran 197 - Brooks, Chochran/Ball 285 - Kerkvliet I think we might see Seth Nevills transfer out to SDSU for his final year(s - he could have two left if he chose). Just a hunch. Add in the additional caveats that if Davis, Kasak, and Barr will be given the Haines treatment with ample opportunity to prove that they deserve a shot at 125/133, 157, and 184 as well. In the case of Barr it relies heavily(entirely) on Brooks going 197. In the case of Kasak it relies heavily on Haines redshirtting. We will welcome Nevills with open arms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnwtwg Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 2 hours ago, nhs67 said: Go to ~5:00 minutes in for the actual words from Starocci's mouth... https://www.flowrestling.org/people/5933899-jordan-burroughs/video?playing=8046581 I remember chuckling when he said that and thinking “surely he’s not going to seriously attempt to follow through on that after a couple years of growth.” But hey if he wants to shrink down then go for it. His body, his choice. I’ll take Dake by bomb and JB by double until proven otherwise 1 i am an idiot on the internet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHROMEBIRD Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 Robbie Howard is 21 and still has 4 years of eligibility?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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