Show_Me Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 With all the Inj Def & mff we witnessed n the Qualifiers ........ when is the deadline for a wrestler to withdraw & be replaced by an Alternate ? IIRC, isn't it the Monday (Mar.13) before Tourney starts ? Specifically thinking about Cardinale, McGonagle, C. Young, Thomas, E. Miller, Hall, & others who appeared to mff for reasons other than Seed protection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHROMEBIRD Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 I seem to remember Suriano withdrew from the tournament the day before NCAAs started. I don't know what you mean by replaced by an alternate though. The qualifiers and at larges have already been made. If my memory serves in Suriano's situation they left a hole in the braacket and just reseeded it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JVStateChamp Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 1 minute ago, CHROMEBIRD said: I seem to remember Suriano withdrew from the tournament the day before NCAAs started. I don't know what you mean by replaced by an alternate though. The qualifiers and at larges have already been made. If my memory serves in Suriano's situation they left a hole in the braacket and just reseeded it. Actually PSU waited so long to make the decision that Suriano was not wrestling so there was no reseeding and the person Suriano was supposed to wrestle recieved a M. Forfeit 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lu_alum Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 (edited) From the Pre-Championships Manual (page 12): https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/championships/sports/wrestling/d1/men/2022-23D1MWR_PreChampsManual.pdf Edited March 8, 2023 by lu_alum previously posted the D2 version 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHROMEBIRD Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 Thanks for that. Does the policy apply to Div1? Looks like that's from the Div2 rulebook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lu_alum Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 Thanks for that. Does the policy apply to Div1? Looks like that's from the Div2 rulebook.I caught my mistake. Updated the post w D1 info. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Show_Me Posted March 8, 2023 Author Share Posted March 8, 2023 (edited) "the alternate will be inserted into the bracket" Assuming the replacement/alternate is inserted as a #33 Seed and all the others move up a seeding spot ? Will coaches of wrestlers that have bad injuries (McGonagle, Young, etc) wait until weigh-ins to withdraw since they are allowed to ? Edited March 8, 2023 by Show_Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHROMEBIRD Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 I don't understand how an alternate could be subbed in at the last moment when there are other at large candidates out there who might deserve the open spot. Even they could wait until weigh-ins it would suck for the starter and backup to both be on notice to make weight, game plan, and be ready to go but not knowing for sure until the last minute. The potential return for all this hassle is low. Better to pull the trigger and make a decision and plan accordingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 3 minutes ago, Show_Me said: "the alternate will be inserted into the bracket" It doesn't specifically say ... assuming the replacement is inserted as a #33 Seed and all others move up a seeding spot ? Will coaches of wrestlers that have bad injuries (McGonagle, Young, etc) wait until weigh-ins to withdraw since they can ? I believe that is how it was handled with Wyatt Sheets in 2021. He was inserted as the 33 seed. I am not sure if it was the prior 33 seed that had dropped though. 1 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 7 minutes ago, CHROMEBIRD said: I don't understand how an alternate could be subbed in at the last moment when there are other at large candidates out there who might deserve the open spot. Even they could wait until weigh-ins it would suck for the starter and backup to both be on notice to make weight, game plan, and be ready to go but not knowing for sure until the last minute. The potential return for all this hassle is low. Better to pull the trigger and make a decision and plan accordingly. The alternates come from the pool of other at large candidates. Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 1 minute ago, Wrestleknownothing said: I believe that is how it was handled with Wyatt Sheets in 2021. He was inserted as the 33 seed. I am not sure if it was the prior 33 seed that had dropped though. Believe that was early in the week or weekend prior. If someone drops night before/morning of I'd think they would just plug them in and not redraw. I'm sure someone knows. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogbone Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 Jason Renteria missed wight in Cleveland (I believe) and one of the alternates was there and able to make weight. I have no idea how much time the alternate had to get notified and make weight but it has been done as as late as the morning of before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lu_alum Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 Jason Renteria missed wight in Cleveland (I believe) and one of the alternates was there and able to make weight. I have no idea how much time the alternate had to get notified and make weight but it has been done as as late as the morning of before.Alternates are at the official weigh-in as well. They are expected to be ready if called upon. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingcement Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 15 minutes ago, lu_alum said: Alternates are at the official weigh-in as well. They are expected to be ready if called upon. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Imagine sucking a bunch of weight just on the remote possibility of wrestling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 50 minutes ago, flyingcement said: Imagine sucking a bunch of weight just on the remote possibility of wrestling. Wyatt Sheets pulled an AA off ofnit. 2 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 1 hour ago, Dogbone said: Jason Renteria missed wight in Cleveland (I believe) and one of the alternates was there and able to make weight. I have no idea how much time the alternate had to get notified and make weight but it has been done as as late as the morning of before. That one stunned me at the time. Talk about a lack of attention to detail. Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mspart Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 I guess if I was an alternate, I'd be making weight no matter what. Worst case, I get to eat. mspart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingcement Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 23 minutes ago, nhs67 said: Wyatt Sheets pulled an AA off ofnit. Three sheets to the wind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 8 minutes ago, flyingcement said: Three sheets to the wind Believe you are mistaken, Wyatt is the 2nd Sheet and Cutter is the 3rd. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPhillips Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 15 minutes ago, ionel said: Believe you are mistaken, Wyatt is the 2nd Sheet and Cutter is the 3rd. Chemicals in that Astroturf lawn are getting to him. He's probably out back barefoot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 1 minute ago, MPhillips said: Chemicals in that Astroturf lawn are getting to him. He's probably out back barefoot. Well we know he isn't mowing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle bernard Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 2 hours ago, Dogbone said: Jason Renteria missed wight in Cleveland (I believe) and one of the alternates was there and able to make weight. I have no idea how much time the alternate had to get notified and make weight but it has been done as as late as the morning of before. I believe this was allowed because they changed the rule following the Suriano fiasco. Cael knew Suriano was not wrestling, but he wanted to keep Picc in Gilman's quarter so he left him in until it was too late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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