Wrestlingfan2254 Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 Hypothetically if they were both in college at the same time who wins a best of 5? I know Taylor beat him in freestyle but that’s with years of extra freestyle training (Taylor is wayyyyy better now than he was in college. How close would the matches be as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. PeanutButter Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 Isn't it obvious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 Dake 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHROMEBIRD Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 I have a lot of respect for what Nickal has accomplished, but still hate his weird "rugged funk" wrestling style. It's like he wants to be as funky as Askren but can't so he makes up for it by horsing people around with heavy collar ties and snaps. But hey it works, so give me Nickal in 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHROMEBIRD Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 Also I would pay a lot of money to see Nickal beat Taylor and do that awkward sportsmanship thing at the end of the match where he gently picks Taylor up like a toddler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gimpeltf Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 Don't forget DT didn't get to that size until after college. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatWhiteNorth Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 DT > Bo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preceptor Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 (edited) Bo pins him 3/5 matches. DT is way over rated. Edited March 3, 2023 by Preceptor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theo Brixton Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 Post-Treigning Lab Taylor is a completely different animal and is the greatest American FS wrestler, IMO. DT needed coach Cal more than coach Cael. Nickal always had that dawg in him. Bo all day vs. NCAA Taylor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scourge165 Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 5 hours ago, Theo Brixton said: Post-Treigning Lab Taylor is a completely different animal and is the greatest American FS wrestler, IMO. DT needed coach Cal more than coach Cael. Nickal always had that dawg in him. Bo all day vs. NCAA Taylor. Taylor was the better Wrestler coming out. Yeah, he may have needed Cael more than Cael needed him to win a World and Olympic Titles...or maybe he was just stuck at a weight with the most dominant Wrestler at that time and had to add 20 pounds of good weight to go up. You're acting like Taylor WASN'T a 4X Champ from Ohio. Best of the East, Ironman, #1 P4P wrestler...bumped up to take on Palmer in one of the best HS matches I've ever seen. Who wins? Probably Nickal just due to size, but I'll take Taylor as the better Wrestler. Taylor lost to Bubba Jenkins and then Dake. Nickal lost to Nate Jackson, Martin a couple times. Now a lot to separate them, but I think Taylor was better. 2X Hodge award winner. He LOOKED like the next Cael heading into that match undefeated and the favorite of Jenkins...but he lost. Then he gets Dake and they again gave us some of the best matches I've seen. 5-4 finals to give Dake his 4th. But Nickal was 197. So are we saying they're closer in weight and imagining how it'd go? Because obviously a 165 Taylor wouldn't beat a 197 Nickal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theo Brixton Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 8 minutes ago, scourge165 said: Taylor was the better Wrestler coming out. Yeah, he may have needed Cael more than Cael needed him to win a World and Olympic Titles...or maybe he was just stuck at a weight with the most dominant Wrestler at that time and had to add 20 pounds of good weight to go up. You're acting like Taylor WASN'T a 4X Champ from Ohio. Best of the East, Ironman, #1 P4P wrestler...bumped up to take on Palmer in one of the best HS matches I've ever seen. Who wins? Probably Nickal just due to size, but I'll take Taylor as the better Wrestler. Taylor lost to Bubba Jenkins and then Dake. Nickal lost to Nate Jackson, Martin a couple times. Now a lot to separate them, but I think Taylor was better. 2X Hodge award winner. He LOOKED like the next Cael heading into that match undefeated and the favorite of Jenkins...but he lost. Then he gets Dake and they again gave us some of the best matches I've seen. 5-4 finals to give Dake his 4th. But Nickal was 197. So are we saying they're closer in weight and imagining how it'd go? Because obviously a 165 Taylor wouldn't beat a 197 Nickal. Not sure why you're quoting me in this thread but the "Cal" in "DT needed coach Cal more than coach Cael." refers to Sam Calavitta of Treigning Lab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortaJohn Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 (edited) Hypothetically, if they were in college at the same time they never would've wrestled because they were never in the same weight class. What's up with all these recent fantasy matches where the two wrestlers are separated by 20 to 30 pounds Edited March 3, 2023 by PortaJohn I Don't Agree With What I Posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headshuck Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 When was the freestyle match where it seemed coaches told Bo to let Taylor have the win and Bo stormed off the stage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 The only time they could have met would be Sooh-Senior DT against Frosh Nickal with DT bumping up. I think DT wins that match even if weighing in at 165 and doing a 'true' bump. If DT is allowed to hydrate up and not have to bump he wins via domination. Nickal didn't jump levels until after his Frosh season. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrestlingphish Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 Would Cael even let them wrestle if it wasn't in the finals? He wouldn't let Nickal wrestle Snyder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Cinnabon Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 Spencer pins both of them. At the same time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 2 hours ago, PortaJohn said: Hypothetically, if they were in college at the same time they never would've wrestled because they were never in the same weight class. What's up with all these recent fantasy matches where the two wrestlers are separated by 20 to 30 pounds Yeah this question is kinda dumb. I think Nickal vs Ruth is more comparable, and a more interesting question IMO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treep2000 Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 My two cents. NCAA versions are different people entirely. If could somehow make the same size without sacrificing anything, lean DT due to better overall technical ability. Granted, Nickal could pin anyone. Freestyle version. We already know the answer. DT all day everyday. One of the GOATs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mspart Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 3 hours ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said: Spencer pins both of them. At the same time. And 4 times on Sunday! mspart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mspart Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 It is tough to know, but they had to be training partners sometime along the line at NLWC. Taylor was in the room for sure. Taylor for sure ran into a mammoth man called Burroughs and then ran into Cox. But then he grew into the weight and owns it. Taylor is a much different looking person than when in college. He had a late growth spurt and put on lbs of muscle. Tough to say what about then. But Taylor hands down now. He has found his niche. mspart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortaJohn Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, 1032004 said: Yeah this question is kinda dumb. I think Nickal vs Ruth is more comparable, and a more interesting question IMO Should we expect anything different from one of Cinnabon's burner accounts? Edited March 3, 2023 by PortaJohn I Don't Agree With What I Posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHROMEBIRD Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 Where would 2012 David Taylor finish among this year's 165 field? I could see Amine, Hamiti, and a healthy O'Toole stealing a match or three. Kharchla would be interesting if he doesn't gas out, or Carr. Taylor said his biggest drawback in college was paying basically zero attention to strength training and nutrition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scourge165 Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 8 hours ago, Theo Brixton said: Not sure why you're quoting me in this thread but the "Cal" in "DT needed coach Cal more than coach Cael." refers to Sam Calavitta of Treigning Lab. Because you infer that Nickal was the better Wrestler coming out of High School and...as I've been told, this is a forum and when you disagree with someone, you point that out; 8 hours ago, scourge165 said: Nickal always had that dawg in him. Bo all day vs. NCAA Taylor. I disagree. This is why I quoted you. I did mis-read what you said about Cael vs Cal, but it's also a different discussion. That's post-college. I'd say the 2 Hodge Awards, 1 loss in the finals to Jenkins and then vs Dake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scourge165 Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 13 minutes ago, CHROMEBIRD said: Where would 2012 David Taylor finish among this year's 165 field? I could see Amine, Hamiti, and a healthy O'Toole stealing a match or three. Kharchla would be interesting if he doesn't gas out, or Carr. Taylor said his biggest drawback in college was paying basically zero attention to strength training and nutrition. I think Taylor would win this weight. Not as easily as he won it in '12 obviously. 4 pins and a tech. But I don't think O'Toole could scramble with him. Hamiti is kinda like Taylor just...well, a lesser version at this point. I think he's tech Khcarchla to be honest. People forget, that weight had guys like Evans or Kokesh who were similar in style to Kharchla...IMO, but better. Carr and O'Toole...obviously the best matchup's, but I think Taylor did what they did, just better. I did think Taylor should have gone up and tried to add some weight, but it was always kinda hard to argue with the results. I would have said 174, I never would have guessed he'd have gotten as big as he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scourge165 Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 5 hours ago, 1032004 said: Yeah this question is kinda dumb. I think Nickal vs Ruth is more comparable, and a more interesting question IMO Yeah, I don't know why this got the Jimmy Cinnabon treatment. It is a better comp. Nickal took a 3rd at '74 then spent 2 years at '84. Taylor took a 2nd at '57 and then wrestled '65. Ruth wrestled two years at '74 and two at '84. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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