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https://www.ncaa.com/news/wrestling/article/2023-02-23/ncaa-division-i-wrestling-committee-releases-qualifying-tournament-allocations-2023

 

CONFERENCE 125 133 141 149 157 165 174 184 197 285 TOTAL
Atlantic Coast Conference 2 3 4 4 3 3 3 5 4 3 34
Big 12 Conference 6 5 7 7 7 8 6 4 6 8 64
Big Ten Conference 9 9 9 9 10 8 7 9 9 9 88
Eastern Intercollegiate Wrestling Association 6 5 5 2 3 5 4 4 5 6 45
Mid-American Conference 2 1 2 5 4 1 4 2 1 1 23
Pacific-12 Conference 3 3 1 1 1 2 2 1 3 1 18
Southern Conference 1 2 1 1 1 1 2 1 1 1 12
Pre-Allocations 29 28 29 29 29 28 28 26 29 29 284
At-Large 4 5 4 4 4 5 5 7 4 4 46
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  On 2/23/2023 at 9:29 PM, mspart said:

PAC 12 and others getting only one person at a weight, seems not right.   Maybe at large takes care of any inequities.  But doesn't seem right to me.   They should take top 2 at the least. 

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Just going through Wrestlestat in regards to PAC-12. There is 1 per weight at 141, 149, 157, 184, & HWT. The weight class that seems strange to not have at least 2 AQ's is 149. The rest of the weights make sense at only have one based on the quality of conference at the weight. 

141 - PAC-12 has 1 guy in top 33 Vasquez ASU at #23

149 - PAC-12 has 3 guys in top 33 Parco ASU #5, Abas Stanford #16, Demas Cal Poly #17

157 - PAC-12 has 1 guy Cardenas Stanford #7

184 - PAC-12 has 2 guys Munoz Oregon St #6, Montalovo ASU #25

HWT - PAC-12 has 2 guys Shultz ASU #6, Tinker Cal Poly #30

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  On 2/23/2023 at 9:29 PM, mspart said:

PAC 12 and others getting only one person at a weight, seems not right.   Maybe at large takes care of any inequities.  But doesn't seem right to me.   They should take top 2 at the least. 

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Inequities?  Thank God the tournament isn’t about equality or egalitarianism, it’s about merit. The B1G has 13 wrestlers in the top 33 according to intermat, they get 10 AQs; the Pac12 has one.  

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  On 2/23/2023 at 9:29 PM, mspart said:

PAC 12 and others getting only one person at a weight, seems not right.   Maybe at large takes care of any inequities.  But doesn't seem right to me.   They should take top 2 at the least. 

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Yeah, tough road at some of those weights.  149 has one qualifier and has Parco, Abas, and Demas in the bracket.

Sorry, I just saw that Gus posted this above....

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  On 2/23/2023 at 10:33 PM, Offthemat said:

Inequities?  Thank God the tournament isn’t about equality or egalitarianism, it’s about merit. The B1G has 13 wrestlers in the top 33 according to intermat, they get 10 AQs; the Pac12 has one.  

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If there are only 8AA spots then why does any conference need more than 8 qualifiers?  

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If the rankings are any good at all, they could just include the top 32 and fill the bracket.  That way conferences don't get auto bids, the top guys do.  As in the case of 149, pac -12 should send 3.   Maybe the correction takes this into account.   Just seems like a weird way to do it.   Yes, I understand B1G is the best and will have the most qualifiers.   I think doing this by conference is wrong.   Do it by individual ranking, if those are any good at all. 

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  On 2/23/2023 at 10:15 PM, Gus said:

Just going through Wrestlestat in regards to PAC-12. There is 1 per weight at 141, 149, 157, 184, & HWT. The weight class that seems strange to not have at least 2 AQ's is 149. The rest of the weights make sense at only have one based on the quality of conference at the weight. 

141 - PAC-12 has 1 guy in top 33 Vasquez ASU at #23

149 - PAC-12 has 3 guys in top 33 Parco ASU #5, Abas Stanford #16, Demas Cal Poly #17

157 - PAC-12 has 1 guy Cardenas Stanford #7

184 - PAC-12 has 2 guys Munoz Oregon St #6, Montalovo ASU #25

HWT - PAC-12 has 2 guys Shultz ASU #6, Tinker Cal Poly #30

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The NCAA article is now showing that the Pac-12 has 2 at 149.....

Belton, Montalvo, Tinker and Demas are all bubble guys that were close to getting allocations. It will depend on how conferences go, but I can see those guys getting at-larges if they place 2nd or 3rd (149) in the conference. 

https://www.ncaa.com/news/wrestling/article/2023-02-23/ncaa-division-i-wrestling-committee-releases-qualifying-tournament-allocations-2023

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  On 2/23/2023 at 11:23 PM, mspart said:

If the rankings are any good at all, they could just include the top 32 and fill the bracket.  That way conferences don't get auto bids, the top guys do.  As in the case of 149, pac -12 should send 3.   Maybe the correction takes this into account.   Just seems like a weird way to do it.   Yes, I understand B1G is the best and will have the most qualifiers.   I think doing this by conference is wrong.   Do it by individual ranking, if those are any good at all. 

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I mean, if you don’t care about keeping a modicum of competitive balance and want the sport to shrink.. sure

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Using this list by @SetonHallPiratehttps://wrestlingbypirate.wordpress.com/

Here are the guys who are going to have to "steal" to get an AQ from the coaches ranking (includes those outside the cutline).

There were only three guys who qualified a spot for their conference without having a coaches ranking: Caleb Dowling (West Virginia; 157), Logan Messer (George Mason; 174 lbs.), and Will Miller (Appalachian State; 174 lbs.).

125 lbs.
14. Michael DeAugustino (Northwestern)
30. Eddie Ventresca (Virginia Tech)
31. Anthony Molton (Campbell)
33. Kase Mauger (Utah Valley)

133.
19. RayVon Foley (Michigan St.)
24. Ethan Oakley (App State)
29. Wyatt Henson (Oklahoma)
32. Kyle Burwick (Nebraska)
33. Angelo Rini (Columbia)

141.
10. Frankie Tal Shahar (Northwestern)
29. Cleveland Belton (Oregon St.)
31. Jordan Titus (West Virginia)
33. Zach Price (Gardner-Webb)

149 lbs.
24. Dom Demas (Cal Poly)
29. Jarod Verkleeren (Virginia)
31. Alec Hagan (Ohio)
32. Dylan Martinez (Air Force)

157 lbs.
12. Cobe Siebrecht (Iowa)
20. Brayton Lee (Minnesota)
29. Jason Kraisser (Iowa St.)
30. Andrew Cerniglia (Navy)
31. Michael North (Maryland)

165 lbs.
28. Andrew Sparks (Minnesota)
29. Rodrick Mosley (Gardner-Webb)
30. Matthew Singleton (NC State)
31. Avery Bassett (Lock Haven)
33. Bubba Wilson (Nebraska)

174 lbs.
15. Nelson Brands (Iowa)
22. Tate Picklo (Oklahoma)
23. Andrew Berreyesa (Northern Colo.)
24. Clay Lautt (North Carolina)
31. Cael Valencia (Arizona St.)
32. Philip Conigliaro (Harvard)
33. Lennox Wolak (Columbia)

184 lbs.
25. Colton Hawks (Missouri)
27. Deanthony Parker Jr (North Dakota St.)
29. David Key (Navy)
30. Caleb Hopkins (Campbell)
31. Anthony Carman (West Virginia)
32. Anthony Montalvo (Arizona St.)
33. Jha`Quan Anderson (Gardner-Webb)

197 lbs.
30. Andrew Davison (Northwestern)
31. Cole Urbas (Penn)
32. Austin Cooley (West Virginia)
33. Tyler Bagoly (Clarion)

285 lbs.
30. Juan Mora (North Dakota St.)
31. Garrett Joles (Minnesota)
32. Isaac Reid (Lock Haven)
33. Travis Stefanik (Princeton)

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They don't necessarily have to steal an AQ at the conference tournament to get in - If they finish one place outside of the allocations at conference (i.e. 4th when there are 3) they would still have a good shot at an at-large depending on who got upset at the conferences. Of course the best way to get in is to earn it and steal the spot at conference, but they still have a shot at an at-large if they place outside the allocation number. 

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