bracketbuster Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 Note: I have no inside information on seedings so these are merely just my best guesses but figured they could be good discussion starters. You can use the interactive brackets using the following letters: D, M, T, F (decision, major, tech, fall). Big Ten Interactive Bracket Seeding Gueses: Conference record is based on their record vs. who I have as projected starters at the same weight CR = NCAA Coaches Ranking RPI = NCAA RPI Ratings WS = WrestleStat Rankings 125 lbs. #1 Spencer Lee (IOWA) (14-0, 7-0 BIG) #2 Matt Ramos (PUR) (26-3, 5-1 BIG) #3 Liam Cronin (NEB) (18-3, 6-1 BIG) #4 Patrick McKee (MINN) (10-4, 3-4 BIG) #5 Eric Barnett (WIS) (16-5, 5-4 BIG) #6 Michael DeAugustino (NW) (6-6, 3-3 BIG) #7 Braxton Brown (MD) (21-3, 5-1 BIG) #8 Malik Heinselman (OSU) (20-4, 3-2 BIG) #9 Dean Peterson (RUT) (20-7, 5-4 BIG) #10 Jack Medley (MICH) (19-8, 5-4 BIG) #11 Gary Steen (PSU) (6-12, 1-5 BIG) #12 Tristan Lujan (MSU) (15-8, 1-6 BIG) #13 Jacob Moran (IND) (21-12, 0-7 BIG) #14 Maximo Renteria (ILL) (4-11, 0-7 BIG) 133 lbs. #1 Roman Bravo-Young (PSU) (13-0, 6-0 BIG) #2 Jesse Mendez (OSU) (13-3, 7-1 BIG) #3 Lucas Byrd (ILL) (23-3, 6-1 BIG) #4 Chris Cannon (NW) (15-6, 5-2 BIG) #5 Aaron Nagao (MINN) (15-3, 3-1 BIG) #6 Dylan Ragusin (MICH) (14-6, 3-3 BIG) #7 Joe Heilmann (RUT) (22-6, 3-4 BIG) #8 Brody Teske (IOWA) (6-2, 3-1 BIG) #9 Rayvon Foley (MSU) (12-8, 1-6 BIG) #10 Taylor Lamont (WIS) (9-12, 1-6 BIG) #11 Kyle Burwick (NEB) (13-7, 1-6 BIG) #12 Dustin Norris (PUR) (12-13, 2-4 BIG) #13 Henry Porter (IND) (20-7, 1-4 BIG) #14 King Sandoval (MD) (0-4, 0-3 BIG) 141 lbs. #1 Real Woods (IOWA) (13-0, 5-0 BIG) #2 Brock Hardy (NEB) (24-4, 7-1 BIG) #3 Beau Bartlett (PSU) (19-1, 5-1 BIG) #4 Frankie Tal-Shahar (NW) (10-4, 4-3 BIG) #5 Jake Bergeland (MINN) (13-7, 4-4 BIG) #6 Joey Olivieri (RUT) (13-4, 5-2 BIG) #7 Danny Pucino (ILL) (14-8, 3-2 BIG) #8 Parker Filius (PUR) (17-7, 4-3 BIG) #9 Dylan D'Emilio (OSU) (13-9, 5-6 BIG) #10 Cole Mattin (MICH) (13-6, 3-5 BIG) #11 Joseph Zargo (WIS) (9-10, 1-5 BIG) #12 Cayden Rooks (IND) (12-9, 1-5 BIG) #13 Jordan Hamdan (MSU) (21-11, 1-6 BIG) #14 Kal Miller (MD) (12-13, 1-6 BIG) 149 lbs. #1 Sammy Sasso (OSU) (22-2, 8-0 BIG) #2 Yahya Thomas (NW) (19-2, 7-2 BIG) #3 Austin Gomez (WIS) (10-2, 4-1 BIG) #4 Max Murin (IOWA) (17-3, 4-2 BIG) #5 Shayne VanNess (PSU) (15-4, 4-3 BIG) #6 Chance Lamer (MICH) (10-5, 1-2 BIG) #7 Michael Blockhus (MINN) (14-4, 4-3 BIG) #8 Graham Rooks (IND) (25-6, 3-4 BIG) #9 Ethen Miller (MD) (24-6, 4-3 BIG) #10 Anthony White (RUT) (12-11, 2-5 BIG) #11 Jake Harrier (ILL) (6-13, 2-4 BIG) #12 Peyton Omania (MSU) (13-11, 0-6 BIG) #13 Jayden Reynolds (PUR) (5-13, 0-5 BIG) #14 Dayne Morton (NEB) (5-12, 1-4 BIG) 157 lbs. #1 Peyton Robb (NEB) (23-0, 8-0 BIG) #2 Levi Haines (PSU) (20-1, 6-0 BIG) #3 Kendall Coleman (PUR) (26-3, 5-2 BIG) #4 Mike Carr (ILL) (4-0, 1-0 BIG) #5 Cobe Siebrecht (IOWA) (10-4, 4-3 BIG) #6 Chase Saldate (MSU) (22-4, 5-2 BIG) #7 Will Lewan (MICH) (16-5, 4-4 BIG) #8 Trevor Chumbley (NW) (21-5, 4-4 BIG) #9 Garrett Model (WIS) (15-7, 3-5 BIG) #10 Brayton Lee (MINN) (4-7, 1-5 BIG) #11 Derek Gilcher (IND) (22-10, 5-6 BIG) #12 Paddy Gallagher (OSU) (10-6, 2-6 BIG) #13 Andrew Clark (RUT) (17-13, 1-9 BIG) #14 Michael North (MD) (15-6, 0-3 BIG) 165 lbs. #1 Cameron Amine (MICH) (10-2, 4-1 BIG) #2 Dean Hamiti (WIS) (18-3, 5-1 BIG) #3 Patrick Kennedy (IOWA) (16-2, 4-1 BIG) #4 Alex Facundo (PSU) (16-2, 3-1 BIG) #5 Carson Kharchla (OSU) (9-3, 4-2 BIG) #6 Maxx Mayfield (NW) (21-9, 4-5 BIG) #7 Caleb Fish (MSU) (24-6, 5-3 BIG) #8 Andrew Sparks (MINN) (13-7, 1-2 BIG) #9 Danny Braunagel (ILL) (18-8, 2-4 BIG) #10 Bubba Wilson (NEB) (13-10, 1-6 BIG) #11 Nick South (IND) (9-6, 2-1 BIG) #12 Robert Kanniard (RUT) (4-3, 1-2 BIG) #13 John MartinBest (MD) (10-14, 1-4 BIG) #14 Cooper Noehre (PUR) (8-12, 0-4 BIG) 174 lbs. #1 Carter Starocci (PSU) (16-0, 8-0 BIG) #2 Michael Labriola (NEB) (24-0, 6-0 BIG) #3 Ethan Smith (OSU) (15-5, 6-2 BIG) #4 Bailee O'Reilly (MINN) (15-3, 4-1 BIG) #5 Edmond Ruth (ILL) (24-3, 5-3 BIG) #6 Donnell Washington (IND) (21-4, 5-3 BIG) #7 Troy Fisher (NW) (17-5, 3-2 BIG) #8 Nelson Brands (IOWA) (6-4, 0-3 BIG) #9 Max Maylor (MICH) (15-7, 3-5 BIG) #10 Jackson Turley (RUT) (8-10, 2-5 BIG) #11 Cesar Garza (MSU) (13-11, 1-7 BIG) #12 Dominic Solis (MD) (10-11, 0-6 BIG) #13 Joshua Otto (WIS) (6-14, 0-5 BIG) #14 Macarteny Parkinson (PUR) (9-13, 0-1 BIG) 184 lbs. #1 Aaron Brooks (PSU) (9-1, 4-0 BIG) #2 Kaleb Romero (OSU) (19-4, 4-1 BIG) #3 Isaiah Salazar (MINN) (15-1, 6-0 BIG) #4 Matt Finesilver (MICH) (20-5, 4-3 BIG) #5 Layne Malczewski (MSU) (21-3, 4-2 BIG) #6 Brian Soldano (RUT) (20-7, 5-4 BIG) #7 Abe Assad (IOWA) (15-2, 4-1 BIG) #8 Lenny Pinto (NEB) (19-7, 5-3 BIG) #9 Dylan Connell (ILL) (16-14, 2-6 BIG) #10 Tyler Dow (WIS) (7-11, 3-4 BIG) #11 Evan Bates (NW) (16-15, 1-6 BIG) #12 Ben Vanadia (PUR) (11-14, 2-7 BIG) #13 Clayton Fielden (IND) (8-12, 0-5 BIG) #14 Kevin Makosky (MD) (2-5, 0-2 BIG) 197 lbs. #1 Max Dean (PSU) (18-2, 7-0 BIG) #2 Silas Allred (NEB) (23-5, 7-1 BIG) #3 Cameron Caffey (MSU) (18-3, 5-2 BIG) #4 Zach Braunagel (ILL) (20-5, 8-3 BIG) #5 Braxton Amos (WIS) (16-5, 4-4 BIG) #6 Gavin Hoffman (OSU) (15-5, 3-3 BIG) #7 Jaxon Smith (MD) (15-5, 3-0 BIG) #8 Michial Foy (MINN) (13-8, 4-4 BIG) #9 Jacob Warner (IOWA) (13-4, 3-3 BIG) #10 Nick Willham (IND) (16-7, 2-4 BIG) #11 Billy Janzer (RUT) (6-10, 2-5 BIG) #12 Andrew Davison (NW) (16-11, 0-6 BIG) #13 Brendan Yatooma (MICH) (5-12, 0-7 BIG) #14 Hayden Filipovich (PUR) (5-19, 0-6 BIG) 285 lbs. #1 Mason Parris (MICH) (25-0, 7-0 BIG) #2 Greg Kerkvliet (PSU) (13-1, 5-1 BIG) #3 Anthony Cassioppi (IOWA) (17-2, 4-2 BIG) #4 Lucas Davison (NW) (18-2, 6-2 BIG) #5 Trent Hillger (WIS) (14-6, 5-4 BIG) #6 Jacob Bullock (IND) (18-4, 5-3 BIG) #7 Tate Orndorff (OSU) (11-5, 2-3 BIG) #8 Boone McDermott (RUT) (15-3, 2-1 BIG) #9 Jaron Smith (MD) (12-8, 4-3 BIG) #10 Hayden Copass (PUR) (6-7, 3-4 BIG) #11 Cale Davidson (NEB) (9-15, 1-5 BIG) #12 Garrett Joles (MINN) (12-11, 2-5 BIG) #13 Ryan Vasbinder (MSU) (15-12, 1-7 BIG) #14 Matt Wroblewski (ILL) (11-15, 0-7 BIG) Team Standings Based on Seeds (no bonus factor) 1. Penn State - 139.5 2. Iowa - 98 3. Ohio State - 89 4. Nebraska - 82 5. Northwestern - 76.5 6. Michigan - 71 7. Minnesota - 68.5 8. Wisconsin - 55 9. Illinois - 50.5 10. Michigan State - 36.5 11. Purdue - 33 12. Rutgers - 27 13. Indiana - 22 14. Maryland - 11.5 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPhillips Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 Cheers @bracketbuster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SocraTease Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 1 hour ago, MPhillips said: Cheers @bracketbuster. Ditto. Good work, bracketbuster. Anyone know which day pre-seeds come out ... this week? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILLINIWrestlingBlog Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 Appreciate the conversation starter! The ILLINI information is a little off. Most importantly, though, it is "Zac" Braunagel. I suggested that he put a "Hello, my name is Zac" name tag on his singlet. Maximo Renteria has a B1G win. That should get him the four and not the three seed in round one. Lucas Byrd is 8-0 in B1G duals, not 6-1. I would be surprised and disgusted if he's not the #2 seed. Danny Pucino is 6-2 in conference duals, not 3-2. He has a head-to-head win over your #4 seed, Frankie Tal-Shahar (4-3 in B1G). Mike Carr is 3-0 in conference duals, not 1-0. I think that you have him at a reasonable #4 seed. Thanks for getting the ball rolling on this topic. I enjoy these discussions. It will be especially interesting for me to hear the board consensus on Mikey Carr's seed, then see what the coaches do. Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SocraTease Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 Some other corrections for Penn State in terms of Big Ten records: Bartlett is 7-1 in B!Gs Van Ness is 5-3 Haines is 7-0 Facundo is 6-1 Dean is 8-0 (if you count the forfeit; not sure how they do this) Kerkviliet is 6-1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 22 minutes ago, ILLINIWrestlingBlog said: Mike Carr is 3-0 in conference duals, not 1-0. I think that you have him at a reasonable #4 seed. Thanks for getting the ball rolling on this topic. I enjoy these discussions. It will be especially interesting for me to hear the board consensus on Mikey Carr's seed, then see what the coaches do. Cheers! his clinical skills alone should bump the good doctor up to the 3 seed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bracketbuster Posted February 20, 2023 Author Share Posted February 20, 2023 Thanks for all of the feedback! Like I said I am no pro so definitely take these for whatever my amateur opinion is. @ILLINIWrestlingBlog @ionel @SocraTease The conference records I have listed are what they are against the other conference opponents who I think will be the starters. So Mike Carr for example wrestled who I believe will be the Minnesota backup and Maryland backup. So I didn't "count" them in his record but I tried to give "credit" for him beating those opponents. Same thing with PSU records. Illinois Thoughts/Reasoning 125 the bottom 5 got weird to me and I definitely could be off. Lujan has a coaches ranking in the top 30 but lost to Steen (PSU). Lujan (MSU) beat Moran (IND) and then Moran beat Vespa (PSU) as Steen didn't wrestle so that is one where it doesn't technically appear on Steen's season record form but I would think it is fair to ding Steen for a "loss." Renteria's (ILL) win was against the MSU backup so I don't know how that factors into the equation? Will definitely be interesting. For Lucas Byrd, that was an interesting one because Mendez beat him but it was back at the MSU open in the very first weekend of the season. Mendez also has the #9 coaches rank and Byrd the #10 and Mendez only has the loss to RBY who Byrd didn't wrestle but there is definitely an argument for Byrd if seeding only goes off of dual meets in conference. 141 got all mixed up from 4-11 with results and that isn't the only weight class this happened. I can definitely see the argument a lot of different ways. Looking at this again I could definitely see Bergeland being lower than I have. Based on my "seeds" #4 Tal-Shahar: Wins: #5, #6, #9, #11 | Losses: #7 #5 Bergeland: Wins: #7, #11 | Losses: #4, #8 #6 Olivieri: Wins: #9, #10 Losses: #4 #7 Pucino: Wins: #4, #8 | Losses: #5 #8 Filius: Wins: #5, #9 | Losses: #7, #11 #9 D'Emilio: Wins: 2-1 #10 | Losses: #4, #6, #8 #10 Mattin: Wins: 1-2 vs. #9, #11 | Losses #6 #11 Zargo: Wins: #8 | Losses: #4, #5, #10 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrassler Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 Mendez is tough as nails but he got lit up this weekend by Vito from Cornell who likes like a finalist with RBY! Cronin has come out of nowhere to be a title contender! If he can get Spencer tired, he can knock ‘em off! Brassy kid who controls the ties like Chris Bono used to do back in the day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gus Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 Any thoughts on how 165 seeding plays out? The top 4 guys have beaten each other. I think we end up seeing 1 - Hamiti, 2- Kennedy, 3 - Amine, 4 - Facundo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILLINIWrestlingBlog Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 I really appreciate the discussion. I've heard that B1G coaches arrive at their seeds multiple ways, so I'm not sure which is true. What I've heard multiple times (and it seems most likely to me) is that they send in their seeds for all the weights. The seeds get averaged out into pre-seeds. Then the coaches have a meeting in which they have the right to challenge a wrestler immediately above their guy. For example, the coach with the five seed challenges the four seed because his kid has a head-to-head win over him. I would hate to see the coaches reinforce ducking. A wrestler can only wrestle the man in front of him. On the other hand, Mikey Carr is an example of a wrestler not wrestling many matches--though I think he's got a valid doctor's excuse. Every year, though, I have to trot this old chestnut out: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinnacle Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 I am having a hard time processing Jacob Warner as a Big10 9 seed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 40 minutes ago, ILLINIWrestlingBlog said: I really appreciate the discussion. I've heard that B1G coaches arrive at their seeds multiple ways, so I'm not sure which is true. What I've heard multiple times (and it seems most likely to me) is that they send in their seeds for all the weights. The seeds get averaged out into pre-seeds. Then the coaches have a meeting in which they have the right to challenge a wrestler immediately above their guy. For example, the coach with the five seed challenges the four seed because his kid has a head-to-head win over him. I would hate to see the coaches reinforce ducking. A wrestler can only wrestle the man in front of him. On the other hand, Mikey Carr is an example of a wrestler not wrestling many matches--though I think he's got a valid doctor's excuse. Every year, though, I have to trot this old chestnut out: ~half the schools are Ag schools. The pre-seeds are sent in to the Ag schools about a week early and go to the green house. The ones that sprout are brought to the final seeding meeting. The tallest sprout on Friday gets the top #1 seed and so on down to the shortest. This may or may not be how it works but it's as good a guess as anyone else has. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gus Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 24 minutes ago, Pinnacle said: I am having a hard time processing Jacob Warner as a Big10 9 seed. 197 will be a mess to seed. Dean will be the 1 seed but 2-9 could shake out so many different ways. Allred has beaten Foy, Amos, Braunagel and Hoffman but lost to Warner. Braunagel has beaten Warner, Foy, Amos, Hoffman but lost to Allred, Smith and Caffey. Warner has beaten Allred but lost to Foy and Braunagel. Caffey has beaten Braunagel and Foy but lost to Hoffman. Hoffman has beaten Caffey but lost to Allred and Braunagel. Foy has beaten Warner but lost to Allred, Amos, Braunagel and Caffey. Amos has beaten Foy but lost to Allred and Braunagel. Smith has beaten Braunagel. I think it probably ends up: 1 - Dean 2- Allred 3 - Caffey 4- Smith 5- Braunagel 6- Warner 7- Hoffman 8- Amos 9- Foy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offthemat Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 4 hours ago, ionel said: ~half the schools are Ag schools. The pre-seeds are sent in to the Ag schools about a week early and go to the green house. The ones that sprout are brought to the final seeding meeting. The tallest sprout on Friday gets the top #1 seed and so on down to the shortest. This may or may not be how it works but it's as good a guess as anyone else has. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Well, we know where to go for fertilizer. The orgasnic kind, anyway. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swoopdown Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 16 hours ago, ILLINIWrestlingBlog said: Appreciate the conversation starter! The ILLINI information is a little off. Most importantly, though, it is "Zac" Braunagel. I suggested that he put a "Hello, my name is Zac" name tag on his singlet. Would the pronouns on Zac's name tag be "III and I"? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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