El Luchador Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 https://nypost.com/2023/02/08/seymour-hersh-claims-us-navy-behind-nord-stream-2-pipeline-explosion/ Between the pipe line and the fire set in Ohio I think we can all agree that Biden is the world's biggest environmental terrorist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le duke Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 Seymour Hersh. LOL.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Luchador Posted February 15, 2023 Author Share Posted February 15, 2023 Every time you can't refute an argument, you attempt to discredit the source but succeed in discrediting yourself. He is a Pulitzer Prize winner. I'll bet you didn't discredit him when he exposed Adu Graib prison scandal. He is a well connected experienced investigative reporter. He certainly isn't a crazed right wing conspiracy theorist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mspart Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 I think Le duke just doesn't like anyone named Seymour. Or he is an anti-semite. Or he is just clueless and you just edumacated him. mspart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le duke Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 Every time you can't refute an argument, you attempt to discredit the source but succeed in discrediting yourself. He is a Pulitzer Prize winner. I'll bet you didn't discredit him when he exposed Adu Graib prison scandal. He is a well connected experienced investigative reporter. He certainly isn't a crazed right wing conspiracy theorist.Please provide another time I’ve attempted to “refute the argument”. The other disagreements you and I have had boil down to actual, professional experience vs your opinions. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le duke Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 I think Le duke just doesn't like anyone named Seymour. Or he is an anti-semite. Or he is just clueless and you just edumacated him. mspartI had no clue that Hersh was Jewish. His conspiracy theories on OBL are a bit much for me. Putting it lightly.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le duke Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 Also, Nordstream 2 was full of...wait for it...air, at the time of the explosion. I'm not sure how compressed air being evacuated from a compromised pipe is an environmental disaster, but, you do you, killer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle bernard Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 3 hours ago, El Luchador said: https://nypost.com/2023/02/08/seymour-hersh-claims-us-navy-behind-nord-stream-2-pipeline-explosion/ Between the pipe line and the fire set in Ohio I think we can all agree that Biden is the world's biggest environmental terrorist. i guarantee you that you support the exact deregulation - which took place under Obama then Trump - that caused the train disaster. that is a very clear consequence of right wing economic policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJB Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 i do love it when someone "guarantees" what someone else thinks/supports/whatever... nuance clearly does not exist but for a few select places of enlightenment... meanwhile, tribalism runs rampant... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Luchador Posted February 15, 2023 Author Share Posted February 15, 2023 27 minutes ago, uncle bernard said: i guarantee you that you support the exact deregulation - which took place under Obama then Trump - that caused the train disaster. that is a very clear consequence of right wing economic policy. Incompetence is what caused it. The quality of employees in a unaccountable union environment is what did thus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Luchador Posted February 15, 2023 Author Share Posted February 15, 2023 40 minutes ago, Le duke said: Also, Nordstream 2 was full of...wait for it...air, at the time of the explosion. I'm not sure how compressed air being evacuated from a compromised pipe is an environmental disaster, but, you do you, killer. It was full of methane. Numerous reports say this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Luchador Posted February 15, 2023 Author Share Posted February 15, 2023 1 hour ago, Le duke said: Please provide another time I’ve attempted to “refute the argument”. The other disagreements you and I have had boil down to actual, professional experience vs your opinions. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Well apparently my opinion was more valid than you give credit for because they shot down 2 more object without waiting for them the cross the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Luchador Posted February 15, 2023 Author Share Posted February 15, 2023 36 minutes ago, uncle bernard said: i guarantee you that you support the exact deregulation - which took place under Obama then Trump - that caused the train disaster. that is a very clear consequence of right wing economic policy. Also what Trump Era deregulation said to burn everything after the wreck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle bernard Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 38 minutes ago, LJB said: i do love it when someone "guarantees" what someone else thinks/supports/whatever... nuance clearly does not exist but for a few select places of enlightenment... meanwhile, tribalism runs rampant... he's pretty clear about what he believes and then immediately parroted the claim that the people who caused the tragedy are using: "evil unions." nevermind these exact unions had their strike broken by the government a couple months ago and one of the major concerns of their strike was safety regulations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle bernard Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 20 minutes ago, El Luchador said: Incompetence is what caused it. The quality of employees in a unaccountable union environment is what did thus. the most cucked man alive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Luchador Posted February 15, 2023 Author Share Posted February 15, 2023 Just now, uncle bernard said: the most cucked man alive Thanks for bringing so much to the discussion. Real impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plasmodium Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 1 hour ago, uncle bernard said: i guarantee you that you support the exact deregulation - which took place under Obama then Trump - that caused the train disaster. that is a very clear consequence of right wing economic policy. There is a disconnect with some people. Some folks simply won't acknowledge the critical role government regulation plays in everyone's life each and every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le duke Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 Ohio got the safety regulations they voted for, it seems. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mspart Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 1 hour ago, Plasmodium said: There is a disconnect with some people. Some folks simply won't acknowledge the critical role government regulation plays in everyone's life each and every day. I agree there needs to be some regulation. But once the regulation is set, that is when the regulators start thinking they need to regulate more stuff. So they go from an 8 gage wire needs a .1 inch thick insulation to an 8 gage wire needs 1 inch thick insulation because that is safer, and then they go to an 8 gage wire needs a 2 inch thick insulation that is purple to easily distinguish it from the 6 or the 10 gage wires and everyone knows 2 inch thick insulation is much much safer than 1 inch thick insulation. Then they think the 8 gage wire should be fluted on the ends which does nothing for safety and makes it harder to terminate but is easier to manufacture. And on and on and on and on. The original spec was safe and did what it needed to do. The rest is not necessary. Obviously this is a ludicrous example but you can see that there is a level at which the regulation makes sense and then where it starts to not make sense. Best to leave things where they make sense. mspart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nailbender Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 10 minutes ago, mspart said: I agree there needs to be some regulation. But once the regulation is set, that is when the regulators start thinking they need to regulate more stuff. So they go from an 8 gage wire needs a .1 inch thick insulation to an 8 gage wire needs 1 inch thick insulation because that is safer, and then they go to an 8 gage wire needs a 2 inch thick insulation that is purple to easily distinguish it from the 6 or the 10 gage wires and everyone knows 2 inch thick insulation is much much safer than 1 inch thick insulation. Then they think the 8 gage wire should be fluted on the ends which does nothing for safety and makes it harder to terminate but is easier to manufacture. And on and on and on and on. The original spec was safe and did what it needed to do. The rest is not necessary. Obviously this is a ludicrous example but you can see that there is a level at which the regulation makes sense and then where it starts to not make sense. Best to leave things where they make sense. mspart You only briefly touched on the role of lobbying in what is "safe" and what isn't. In some cases, safety is bought and paid for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nailbender Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 1 hour ago, Le duke said: Ohio got the safety regulations they voted for, it seems. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Based upon what, exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plasmodium Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 35 minutes ago, mspart said: I agree there needs to be some regulation. But once the regulation is set, that is when the regulators start thinking they need to regulate more stuff. So they go from an 8 gage wire needs a .1 inch thick insulation to an 8 gage wire needs 1 inch thick insulation because that is safer, and then they go to an 8 gage wire needs a 2 inch thick insulation that is purple to easily distinguish it from the 6 or the 10 gage wires and everyone knows 2 inch thick insulation is much much safer than 1 inch thick insulation. Then they think the 8 gage wire should be fluted on the ends which does nothing for safety and makes it harder to terminate but is easier to manufacture. And on and on and on and on. The original spec was safe and did what it needed to do. The rest is not necessary. Obviously this is a ludicrous example but you can see that there is a level at which the regulation makes sense and then where it starts to not make sense. Best to leave things where they make sense. mspart Sounds like the Acme 8 Gauge Wire Company hired an effective lobbyist. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Luchador Posted February 15, 2023 Author Share Posted February 15, 2023 2 hours ago, Plasmodium said: There is a disconnect with some people. Some folks simply won't acknowledge the critical role government regulation plays in everyone's life each and every day. OMG I know all about government regulations, holy cow. I totally live my life around them. Although I'm not aware of the regulation around starting a toxic chemical fire. Maybe you could educate me on that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plasmodium Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 12 minutes ago, El Luchador said: OMG I know all about government regulations, holy cow. I totally live my life around them. Although I'm not aware of the regulation around starting a toxic chemical fire. Maybe you could educate me on that? What would you have done with it? Also, I didn't mention you. If that shoe doesn't fit don't bother wearing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Luchador Posted February 15, 2023 Author Share Posted February 15, 2023 The clean up should have been to remove all contaminated soil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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