VakAttack Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 Is there any good reason why college weights don't directly match freestyle weights to ease the transition? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingcement Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 (edited) Maybe the distribution of college aged wrestlers is different (more light weights and fewer 220 ish than that of senior world team wrestlers in such a way that makes it more competitive to do in its current way. That's just a guess though. Could also be "that's the way we've always done it". Something tells me gimpeltf would know the answer Edited February 7, 2023 by flyingcement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHROMEBIRD Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 Because there's also Greco and they have their own weight classes? Not that I would mind if the NCAA weights matched UWW Senior FS, but as it stands the NCAA weight classes are more equitably distributed along the light and middle weights (+8 lb difference between 125 - 165, +9 to 174, +10 to 184) which might be more fitting for growing college students in the 18-23ish year old age range. The UWW weights have larger gaps and are more tiered at the upper end but then again we are talking about fully grown ass men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 18 minutes ago, VakAttack said: Is there any good reason why college weights don't directly match freestyle weights to ease the transition? kids are still growing ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 35 minutes ago, VakAttack said: Is there any good reason why college weights don't directly match freestyle weights to ease the transition? Good question. In 1932, 1936 and 1948 the NCAA did use Olympic weights to prepare for the Olympics. I cannot find any statement as to why they abandoned that practice in 1952 and beyond. 2 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PencilNeck Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 1 hour ago, VakAttack said: Is there any good reason why college weights don't directly match freestyle weights to ease the transition? Because the metric system is inferior and should be avoided where possible. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 8 hours ago, PencilNeck said: Because the metric system is inferior and should be avoided where possible. add to that because there'd be one poster on these here boards going bonkers, firing off new threads and post left and right just so he could use the term keggers. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatWhiteNorth Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 On 2/6/2023 at 9:29 PM, VakAttack said: Is there any good reason why college weights don't directly match freestyle weights to ease the transition? Read through these last posts carefully, and no. There doesn't appear to be much of a good reason posted here so far. All things considered, matching college weights with freestyle weights would seem to be a wise approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SetonHallPirate Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 There's also far more wrestlers at the middleweights (generally specifically in the 141-157 range) than on the ends...for example, the number of Division I wrestlers who have wrestled at least one match against other Division I competition at each weight up to this point in the 2022-23 season... 125: 223 133: 267 141: 300 149: 331 157: 338 165: 299 174: 280 184: 262 197: 234 285: 227 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragit Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 On 2/6/2023 at 9:29 PM, VakAttack said: Is there any good reason why college weights don't directly match freestyle weights to ease the transition? But if they do this, everyone will downgrade the accomplishments of the poor guys who win NCAAs at 61/134, 70/154, 79/174, and 92/202. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offthemat Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 It appears to me that it effectively removes the 149 weight and adds a couple of heavies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scouts Honor Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 On 2/6/2023 at 10:15 PM, Wrestleknownothing said: Good question. In 1932, 1936 and 1948 the NCAA did use Olympic weights to prepare for the Olympics. I cannot find any statement as to why they abandoned that practice in 1952 and beyond. if i'm a senior in college, and my weight class changes from the year before... do i end up like Kolat or mcilravy did when the weights in freestyle changed... a little aced out and in between... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offthemat Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 13 minutes ago, Scouts Honor said: if i'm a senior in college, and my weight class changes from the year before... do i end up like Kolat or mcilravy did when the weights in freestyle changed... a little aced out and in between... If you’re wrestling 149 or 184 - yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VakAttack Posted February 9, 2023 Author Share Posted February 9, 2023 2 hours ago, Offthemat said: It appears to me that it effectively removes the 149 weight and adds a couple of heavies. Sure. I don't see the problem, since that happens at the next level anyway. It doesn't matter, particularly, what the weights are in collegiate style, they've changed before. We want to be successful in the International styles, and matching the weight classes seems like an easy step with no downside. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offthemat Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 I’ve seen plenty of guys too small to be effective at 125 and not so many over 190. But I might be missing something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VakAttack Posted February 9, 2023 Author Share Posted February 9, 2023 2 hours ago, Offthemat said: I’ve seen plenty of guys too small to be effective at 125 and not so many over 190. But I might be missing something. That's literally the situation we're already in, under the current weight classes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortaJohn Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 (edited) 11 hours ago, SetonHallPirate said: There's also far more wrestlers at the middleweights (generally specifically in the 141-157 range) than on the ends...for example, the number of Division I wrestlers who have wrestled at least one match against other Division I competition at each weight up to this point in the 2022-23 season... 125: 223 133: 267 141: 300 149: 331 157: 338 165: 299 174: 280 184: 262 197: 234 285: 227 This right here is why I believe what Dake accomplished in college exceeds Cael's career making him the actual folkstyle GOAT Edited February 9, 2023 by PortaJohn 2 I Don't Agree With What I Posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scouts Honor Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 i dont really want to switch, but... i was thinking about the every four year switch. if we switch we switch not the every 4 years for the olympics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scouts Honor Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 i mean i agree dakes feat was incredible.. but he didn't wrestle all those guys. and just b/c more guys wrestled at taht weight, doesn't mean there are fewer wrestlers at the upper weights.. it means fewer wrestled matches... redshirts are going to wrestle... but are the older young kids still seeing competition or waiting until they are 'ready' to compete I dont really see how the freestyle weights address this problem, they add to the upper weights , a 210? or 211? which isn't apparently where the wrestlers are... and take away a weight as someone pointed out.. 149, where there are lots of wrestlers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scouts Honor Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 (edited) 125: 223 57 (125) :223 133: 267 61 (134) 267 141: 300 65 (143): 300/465 half of these go down 149: 331 70 (154): 165.5+169=334.5 half of these 157 go down 157: 338 half of 157 go up 165: 299 74(163) 169+299 = 468 174: 280 79 (174) 280 184: 262 where do these guys go? 10 more pounds? down 6 up... probably up... 86(190) 117 + 262 = 379 197: 234 half of these go down half go up 92(203) : 117 97(214) : 57 285: 227 1/4 of these go down 127(276): 170 for the first few years it looks like a problem. maybe things will even out... but i dont see us gaining wrestlers at 92 and 97 in college i really dont see the benefit. more people for fewer opportunities in the middle if we switch and more opportuinities for fewer people at the top... also, what do we do when they change again? how often do the international weights change? are they as consistent as ncaa and nfhs? are they done 'scientifically'? like, supposedly the hs weights are a distribution... Edited February 9, 2023 by Scouts Honor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkemaz Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 We are already successful internationally, freestyle shouldn't be dictating what we do in a separate sport, and freestyle fans should piss off with all the rule change and weight class ideas. News flash no one watches freestyle or cares. We won a world championship last year and no one in America even know. Go fix your sport and leave this one alone. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightweight Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 14 hours ago, SetonHallPirate said: There's also far more wrestlers at the middleweights (generally specifically in the 141-157 range) than on the ends...for example, the number of Division I wrestlers who have wrestled at least one match against other Division I competition at each weight up to this point in the 2022-23 season... 125: 223 133: 267 141: 300 149: 331 157: 338 165: 299 174: 280 184: 262 197: 234 285: 227 Interesting symmetry between the far left-hand (low) side of the distribution and the far right. Some posters need to keep this in mind before they complain about high school underclassmen wrestling varsity at 107 -- some of these young wrestlers grow into middle weights and some will be future college 125 pounders. Eliminate the high school opportunity for small guys, or guys who are later developers, and you'll lose some future college wrestlers. But, of course, I am biased. signed, Lightweight 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 47 minutes ago, lightweight said: Interesting symmetry between ... Ahh ... pretty sure Wkn got copyright on that for these here boards ... you may hear from his lawyer soon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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VakAttack Posted February 10, 2023 Author Share Posted February 10, 2023 4 hours ago, forkemaz said: We are already successful internationally, freestyle shouldn't be dictating what we do in a separate sport, and freestyle fans should piss off with all the rule change and weight class ideas. News flash no one watches freestyle or cares. We won a world championship last year and no one in America even know. Go fix your sport and leave this one alone. Yes, if we switched weight classes collegiatebfans would stop watching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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