jmoney Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 Drop Noto to 13 Raise Deaug to 9 Drop Heinseman to 11 raise Kaylor to 10 Raise Cronin to 6 Raise Barnett to 7 drop Courtney to 8 raise Ungar to 14 drop Cardinale to 12 i don’t like the 125 rankings at all haha, wrestlestat could do better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingcement Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 for wrestlestat, there is no human intervention or judgment. the outcome is based on a formula. but while we are here, this is my top ten for 125: 1: Spencer Lee 2. Pat Glory 3. Brandon Courtney 4. Matt Ramos 5. Patrick McKee 6. Liam Cronin 7. Michael DeAugustino 8. Killian Cardinale 9. Eric Barnett 10. Braxton Brown 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idaho Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 5 hours ago, jmoney said: Drop Noto to 13 Raise Deaug to 9 Drop Heinseman to 11 raise Kaylor to 10 Raise Cronin to 6 Raise Barnett to 7 drop Courtney to 8 raise Ungar to 14 drop Cardinale to 12 i don’t like the 125 rankings at all haha, wrestlestat could do better sigh..................They are ratings based on formula....not rankings. Sponsored by INTERMAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 6 minutes ago, Idaho said: sigh..................They are ratings based on formula....not rankings. Wrestlestat disagrees Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idaho Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 sigh..... again. Sponsored by INTERMAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. PeanutButter Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 9 hours ago, flyingcement said: for wrestlestat, there is no human intervention or judgment. the outcome is based on a formula. but while we are here, this is my top ten for 125: 1: Spencer Lee 2. Pat Glory 3. Brandon Courtney 4. Matt Ramos 5. Patrick McKee 6. Liam Cronin 7. Michael DeAugustino 8. Killian Cardinale 9. Eric Barnett 10. Braxton Brown Don't completely disagree - this weight is not easy to rank because a bunch of guys have beaten each other but I'm not sure Brandon Courtney should be so high up with a loss to Barnett. Ditto for DeAugustino who is currently 4-4 on the year. Not trying to be overtly critical. It's a tricky weight and I don't have the answers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elevator Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 10 hours ago, flyingcement said: for wrestlestat, there is no human intervention or judgment. the outcome is based on a formula. but while we are here, this is my top ten for 125: 1: Spencer Lee 2. Pat Glory 3. Brandon Courtney 4. Matt Ramos 5. Patrick McKee 6. Liam Cronin 7. Michael DeAugustino 8. Killian Cardinale 9. Eric Barnett 10. Braxton Brown I did catch a match where Braxton Brown took it to a talented Dean Petersen of Rutgers - he was impressive and could be AA! Fun to watch too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 125 is the least of the problems with Wrestlestat’s algorithm. If Daton Fix can still be #1, then something with the algorithm needs to be changed 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 On 2/7/2023 at 8:28 AM, 1032004 said: 125 is the least of the problems with Wrestlestat’s algorithm. If Daton Fix can still be #1, then something with the algorithm needs to be changed The algorithm factors in margin of victory as well. That is why DT would always be rated higher than KD were it around then. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajensen09 Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 Flo does the best rankings by far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 1 hour ago, jajensen09 said: Flo does the best rankings by far Flo, Intermat, and WIN have each had 6 of their pre-season #1's take a lose and they have changed their #1 in 4 weights as a result. Wrestlestat has had 5 of their pre-season #1's take a lose (they are the only ones with Mason Parris as a pre-season #1) and they have changed their #1 in 2 weights. This could be Wrestlestat failing to react to new information, or it could be their failure to over-react to new information. Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 19 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said: Flo, Intermat, and WIN have each had 6 of their pre-season #1's take a lose and they have changed their #1 in 4 weights as a result. Wrestlestat has had 5 of their pre-season #1's take a lose (they are the only ones with Mason Parris as a pre-season #1) and they have changed their #1 in 2 weights. This could be Wrestlestat failing to react to new information, or it could be their failure to over-react to new information. Rankings are not predictions. I guess wrestlestat might consider theirs kinda to be? Does the higher rated wrestler always win in their scenarios? I think a main problem with wrestlestat’s algorithm is that they put too much emphasis on results from several years ago. I believe this explains Fix over RBY, and it probably also explains Parris at pre-season #1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 43 minutes ago, 1032004 said: Rankings are not predictions. I guess wrestlestat might consider theirs kinda to be? Does the higher rated wrestler always win in their scenarios? I think a main problem with wrestlestat’s algorithm is that they put too much emphasis on results from several years ago. I believe this explains Fix over RBY, and it probably also explains Parris at pre-season #1 I hear ya. But I also think the Flo guys play fast and loose with their mantra that rankings are not predictions. For example, they use them to produce a prediction about who will score what at the tournament. Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 52 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said: I hear ya. But I also think the Flo guys play fast and loose with their mantra that rankings are not predictions. For example, they use them to produce a prediction about who will score what at the tournament. Don’t they say that’s just a ranking too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 49 minutes ago, 1032004 said: Don’t they say that’s just a ranking too? They probably do, but once you assign point values you are assuming your ranking will be the result taking you into the realm of predictions. Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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